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Sep 12 2021 04:01pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 12 Sep 2021 14:53)
My point is that, if you are saying the government should step in, then I see that this contradicts your usual stance that the government should get itself out of most economic transactions and indeed most peaceful human interactions. Correct me if wrong.

And just to clarify: my own position is that governments are needed, however we should have very clear rules about when they can step in to intervene or not, when it comes to the economy. I don't believe communism works, for the reasons you provided, however I also do not believe laisse faire capitalism works, either. To me the ideal situation is where the economy is mostly capitalistic, with government oversight making sure that monopolies don't form and that companies comply with regulations that help protect employees and the environment.

Would love to hear what your ideal is, bobb.


Governments are needed when governments are needed. If you allow a corporation to simply do what it wants, you end up with things like Corporate Scrip, and employees who can never venture very far from a corporate store.

In general, especially with online purchasing, there aren't many monopolies at this point. So breaking up companies mostly appears as a hollow threat. However, companies making deals to not compete for labor, keeping labor prices artificially low, is a form of racketeering, and government intervention does become required.

As with most things, it depends on the specific law or regulation or even type of transaction whether or not government should be involved. For instance, Prostitution should not have any government interference at all, but should require service contracts (aka a paper trail) and be taxable income.
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Sep 12 2021 04:06pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 12 2021 02:47pm)
In general, fewer regulations and restrictions, permits and requirements that act as bars of entry and cost floors would accomplish far more in the competitive arena.


This reminds me of deregulation talk. Anyway. I believe that what we should try and reduce is bureaucratic red-tape, which is what I think you mean. However I believe that we should have very strong laws reigning in the behaviors of businesses (especially large businesses). For example, they can't pollute the environment, they have to have safe working conditions for their workers, they should provide adequate wages, they should not be allowed to outsource jobs to overseas...etc. Usually when regular people talk about deregulation, they are talking about reducing red tape, but when someone in a major publication says deregulation, what he really means is that we should give big corporations even more freedom to whatever they want and make more profit for themselves at the expense of us the regular people, and society at large. And by the way, this "writer" is very probably bankrolled by said corporations to write this piece.
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Sep 12 2021 04:10pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 12 2021 07:16am)
employee has all the bargaining power right now. happens about once a century give or take, and they’re definitely maximizing it (as they should)


yup.

saw an article saying exactly this yesterday, actually

rare opportunity right now..

Quote (Jupe @ Sep 12 2021 07:27am)
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why are white americans so lazy and ungrateful? jose and pablo would be thrilled to flip my burgers or move boxes. it makes me think of my white friend who quit his job to sell options on the market, can you believe that he abandoned that poor franchise owner to play with magic numbers?


I disagree with us being so lazy and ungrateful. You have no idea how spoiled the boomers were. Fifty years ago, the boomers could get a job in a fast food joint and be able to afford a house after a few months. We can't do that today... I can understand why they're feeling overwhelmed and not feeling very motivated to get out there.

Personally I think the job market is very fucked up right now. Rich kids have the upper hand by being able to volunteer and do unpaid internships, which fucks over the poor young people. So the companies take advantage of this and do not want to hire the poor people, whether they have more talent or not, just to save money. Unpaid internships should be illegal!!

College degrees are next to worthless nowadays. That is very sad already, never mind the insane cost for these college courses. Thirty years ago, you'd be instantly hired if you had a degree. No longer. Now you gotta satisfy their very long checklist of other minor skills and/or already have years of experience, and accept the barely-above-minimum-wage starting pay. It's fucking bullshit but this is the new normal nowadays.
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Sep 12 2021 04:17pm
Quote (pwb3 @ Sep 12 2021 05:10pm)
College degrees are next to worthless nowadays. That is very sad already, never mind the insane cost for these college courses. Thirty years ago, you'd be instantly hired if you had a degree. No longer. Now you gotta satisfy their very long checklist of other minor skills and/or already have years of experience, and accept the barely-above-minimum-wage starting pay. It's fucking bullshit but this is the new normal nowadays.


Something being the baseline doesn't mean it's worthless. The exact opposite in fact. Imagine trying to get a high paying job without a high school degree. Maybe you can do it, but don't expect an economy full of people in that state to survive.
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Sep 12 2021 04:30pm
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Something being the baseline doesn't mean it's worthless. The exact opposite in fact. Imagine trying to get a high paying job without a high school degree. Maybe you can do it, but don't expect an economy full of people in that state to survive.


But he didn't say that people without a high school degree can get high paying jobs. He is saying that a college degree is not what it used to be. And I agree with this.

Nowadays if you just have a general bachelor's degree, it's hard to find the kinds of jobs you would desire, unless you have a professional degree (such as law, medicine, pharmacy...etc) or if you have a license. At least this is how it is in my country.
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Sep 12 2021 04:40pm
Tim Hortons here having hard time getting people to work even offering 18 an hour now :o
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Sep 12 2021 04:42pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 12 2021 05:30pm)
But he didn't say that people without a high school degree can get high paying jobs. He is saying that a college degree is not what it used to be. And I agree with this.

Nowadays if you just have a general bachelor's degree, it's hard to find the kinds of jobs you would desire, unless you have a professional degree (such as law, medicine, pharmacy...etc) or if you have a license. At least this is how it is in my country.


You need to use your degree to cultivate in demand skills, yes
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You need to use your degree to cultivate in demand skills, yes


Not sure what you mean? Yes, in-demand skills are important, but going to school for a degree is not the only way to acquire them. I mean, didn't we go through this before? You were saying how nowadays everybody has access to info on the internet and all they need is the desire to learn. In fact you called me stupid or lazy or lacking the initiative or whatever the hell, many times for disagreeing with you.
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Sep 12 2021 05:21pm
There are plenty of sales jobs out there that will pay more than enough to live comfortably.

Generally people avoid sales jobs because they're afraid of rejection or they're incapable of putting themselves in a customers shoes and then thinking of solutions.
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Sep 12 2021 05:22pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 12 2021 06:17pm)
Not sure what you mean? Yes, in-demand skills are important, but going to school for a degree is not the only way to acquire them. I mean, didn't we go through this before? You were saying how nowadays everybody has access to info on the internet and all they need is the desire to learn. In fact you called me stupid or lazy or lacking the initiative or whatever the hell, many times for disagreeing with you.


Depends on the skill. You need lab experience for science for example. For computers you can self teach. I know a programmer that is entirely self taught who hasnt had an issue getting decent paying jobs.
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