Quote (thundercock @ 10 Sep 2021 14:58)

That would not qualify because the verse is about intentionally destroying your body. If there are unknowns, you wouldn't be at fault.

To add to this:
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/09/10/lds-church-wont-help/
Mormons are particularly strict when it comes to substances (they can't even have caffeine) so other Christians don't really have a leg to stand on.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 10 Sep 2021 18:17)

You know that there may well be potential mid-long term side effects that nobody can know about.

You have the option not to take the vaccine until those side effects can be discovered or dismissed.

Therefore, you're knowingly taking action that may harm the temple.

It's a pretty cut and dry thing. The fact that you and I don't share their beliefs doesn't mean they don't have them, or that they can be discounted.

And institutions do not govern belief. In the case of Abrahamic Religions, texts govern beliefs. One person or one institution's interpretation means nothing.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ 10 Sep 2021 15:25)

How many religious people do you know that abstain fully from both corn syrup and every single drug that impacts the liver?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 10 Sep 2021 18:31)

Quite a few, honestly. I know quite a large number of... I don't know what to call them? Orthodox Mormons? No idea the proper term. Also some Amish. Also have a few Muslim acquaintances who won't utilize any form of caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, any pill form drug of any form.

Going to that though, "impacting the liver of any form" does not directly apply to what I posted. You'll have to cite whatever it is you're going on about. The liver is designed for digestion and filtering out toxins. Pretty much everything you eat or drink to sustain yourself "impacts the liver". I know of some other text that indicates against taking mind altering substances and such, but where's this "liver impact" coming from?

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You know that there may well be potential mid-long term side effects that nobody can know about.

You have the option not to take the vaccine until those side effects can be discovered or dismissed.

Therefore, you're knowingly taking action that may harm the temple.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ 10 Sep 2021 15:32)

Sorry - please see my edited post.

And I'm not sure you need to worry about your Orthodox Mormon friends being persecuted by their employers.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ 10 Sep 2021 15:32)

Anything you consume could have long term side effects that harm your temple. Hell, even an apple you planted and harvested yourself could harm you some day down the line if you develop allergies.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 06:17pm)

You know that there may well be potential mid-long term side effects that nobody can know about.

You have the option not to take the vaccine until those side effects can be discovered or dismissed.

Therefore, you're knowingly taking action that may harm the temple.

It's a pretty cut and dry thing. The fact that you and I don't share their beliefs doesn't mean they don't have them, or that they can be discounted.

And institutions do not govern belief. In the case of Abrahamic Religions, texts govern beliefs. One person or one institution's interpretation means nothing.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 10 Sep 2021 18:38)

Most of my Orthodox Mormon friends ARE the employers. :P

And with your edited question, I don't believe that's relevant. The mRNA vaccine messes with your cellular structure. Granted, we think all it does is mess with it just enough to cause a group of cells to produce a spike protein, and give it a couple weeks, all direct impact is gone, and only the indirect impact of it's training to your immune system is what's left. If that's correct, that's incredible. Give it 20 years, it'll be the fully accepted gold standard to all but the truly "antivax".

The problem isn't knowing who made it, or what's in it. The true problem is that "unknown factor" that any new medical methodology brings. So like, many of these same people will take the annual flu shot. The methodology is time tested and verified. It's only the specific formulation for what it targets that changes. Where with the mRNA vaccines, they're completely new to human trial. That's where the issue arises. As I said, 20 years and no unwanted side effects? I'll agree that I know of no particular religious exemption that should apply, other than maybe the Satanic Temple's hardline "Bodily Autonomy" stance.



This is stretching it awefully thing. You know your apples are edible in general. Could the apple contain a parasite or something similar? Sure. There are risks in life, and everyone dies. What we're talking about is knowingly ingesting potentially harmful substances. And until you complete the phase 4 studies for mid/long term effects, the mRNA vaccines qualify.

Quote (Skinned @ 10 Sep 2021 18:39)

Too bad congress can't make any laws respecting any establishments of religion :/

Get ready to give Satanists carte blanche on abortions lol.

Quote (Skinned @ 10 Sep 2021 15:39)

Too bad congress can't make any laws respecting any establishments of religion :/

Get ready to give Satanists carte blanche on abortions lol.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 03:17pm)

You know that there may well be potential mid-long term side effects that nobody can know about.

You have the option not to take the vaccine until those side effects can be discovered or dismissed.

Therefore, you're knowingly taking action that may harm the temple.

It's a pretty cut and dry thing. The fact that you and I don't share their beliefs doesn't mean they don't have them, or that they can be discounted.

And institutions do not govern belief. In the case of Abrahamic Religions, texts govern beliefs. One person or one institution's interpretation means nothing.