Yes, but DMVs are shut down close to minority areas to keep that shit from minorities.

If tomorrow Republicans proposed a good faith law to require voter ID and made it accessible, then the left and Democrats would hop right on board. I feel like you're drawing a false equivilance here, because the issue isn't just that it impacts minority voters more, it's that the laws are designed to impact minority voters more, and if they proposed a law that made it accessible and required it then none of this would be political.

seems like a double strawman to me.

1. i said that access should be drastically improved under a system i'd support voter ID laws for.

2. i acknowledged already that vaccine passport laws are the result of negligence for minorities, rather than being targeted towards them.

i dont support in-a-vacuum overnight ID laws.

Is it a slippery slope argument though? What is the purpose of having a voter ID in the first place? Is it truly to secure elections or is it to make it marginally harder to vote? How many votes should we throw out that would otherwise be legitimate in order to placate the right? How many legitimate votes should we throw out in order to stop 1 illegal vote? That's the kind of cost-benefit analysis that I don't really see on the right.

In my state, you don't need a voter ID because you show your ID when you register. If you don't show up to the right precinct, your name won't be on the list and you'll have to fill out a provisional ballot. If someone voted in your name illegally, you can still cast a provisional ballot and there is a process to determine the legitimate vote (this extraordinarily rare but I suppose it could happen). What is wrong with that system?

I guess I get frustrated by these sort of bureaucratic laws because in CA, we have strict ID laws when it comes to gun purchases. If your residence doesn't match your driver's license, you can't buy a gun at all. You can't even show a utility bill, updated mailing address, etc. You have to go to the DMV every time you move which is highly discriminatory against young people, renters, etc. How many people are unable to exercise their constitutional rights because of this kind of red tape?

doesnt ur DMV have an address change online option?

honestly im not even sold on the idea of differing voting laws being a state's right. i believe that the presidential vote should be a federal override for the state's right to change how votes are tabulated, denied, etc. but i know that's not ever going to happen, just a gut feeling i have.

We should drastically curtail states rights honestly. We're at a point where having 50 different systems is wasteful and leads itself to basic rights abuses. This isn't unprecedented either. Until relatively recently in our history the bill of rights didn't apply to states.

Statist detected.

Of course, but they won't send you a new card. You have to wait several hours to pick it up in person. Going back to my original question though, what's the ratio of illegal ballots counted vs. legitimate votes thrown out that you're comfortable with?

If people just sent in their pictures, how could the agency know that it's really them in the picture? They need to be physically present.

hard for me to give an exact number, but logically i'd prefer 1 illegal vote over 1 legit vote tossed out, if it were binary.



ok boomer.

I think the only way to know for sure it's them is if they're physically present and they pass a penis inspection.