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Aug 28 2021 09:51am
Seems like a simple question and simpler answer. Right from day one, patients with "covid-like symptoms" have been diagnosed with Covid since early 2020. A positive test is not required for a diagnosis of covid. Turns out, the Flu and Covid share most symptoms. The flu, however, does not provide extra government funding to hospitals. Covid does. If you were a doctor, would you bother to verify covid vs flu if it's going to cut your funding in half? :)
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 28 Aug 2021 15:51)
Seems like a simple question and simpler answer. Right from day one, patients with "covid-like symptoms" have been diagnosed with Covid since early 2020. A positive test is not required for a diagnosis of covid. Turns out, the Flu and Covid share most symptoms. The flu, however, does not provide extra government funding to hospitals. Covid does. If you were a doctor, would you bother to verify covid vs flu if it's going to cut your funding in half? :)


positive test to covid is required to diganose and validate covid.
ofc nothing is required for flu conspiracy vomit
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 28 2021 08:51am)
Seems like a simple question and simpler answer. Right from day one, patients with "covid-like symptoms" have been diagnosed with Covid since early 2020. A positive test is not required for a diagnosis of covid. Turns out, the Flu and Covid share most symptoms. The flu, however, does not provide extra government funding to hospitals. Covid does. If you were a doctor, would you bother to verify covid vs flu if it's going to cut your funding in half? :)


That's so far from the truth. people contract trace test/return to work test. Symptom test. You have to test for antibodies to get VAX, if you had COVID previously.
I personally have over 20 contract tracing tests. And 2 due to symptoms
its a cool basement story of how COVID is a conspiracy, but nowhere near the truth. The business world protecting employees/business drive this.. The free market at work again.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Aug 28 2021 10:10am
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Aug 2021 09:00)
positive test to covid is required to diganose and validate covid.
ofc nothing is required for flu conspiracy vomit


First, going back to day 1, this is false. The requirement for a "positive test" for extra funding did not take effect in the US until Sept 2020, and hospitals opposed it. Second, only a basic PCR test, is required to get the funding, and those tests are notoriously bad for showing positive for non-covid coronaviruses, flu viruses, etc.

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That's so far from the truth. people contract trace test/return to work test. Symptom test. You have to test for antibodies to get VAX, if you had COVID previously.
I personally have over 20 contract tracing tests.
its a cool basement story of how COVID is a conspiracy, but nowhere near the truth. The business world protecting employees/business drive this.. The free market at work again.


Don't need a test to get vaccine. Just need to go into your local walmart/walgreens/cvs and ask for a vaccine. Some places may test, but it's absolutely not a requirement. And once again, your basic PCR test throws so many false positives it's not even funny. And again, hospitals fought the Trump Administration mandate that ANY form of positive test would be required to gain the extra funding. Even the Wall Street Journal reported on it.

Nonsensical posts from people desperate for a cold to be considered airborne ebola, yet denying that the flu is still a thing is hilarious. Not gonna lie.
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Aug 28 2021 10:13am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 25 2021 02:57pm)
I've seen people mention this here and there but tbh I feel like this is a pretty big question that scientists and the media aren't doing a particularly good job at covering.

Ever since COVID came on flu rates have absolutely plummeted? What's going on? Is this about how medial professionals are categorizing or something else? Like the article talks about hand washing and masks being a possible reason that flu rates have absolutely flatlined, but I feel like you'd really have to suspend your common sense to think that just those things alone would cause flu rates to drop 100x, that's an astounding drop.



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/22/science/flu-season-coronavirus-pandemic.html


The new social behaviors made a large part of this.

I suspect the PCR tests undercounted the number of flu cases as well.

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What are you suggesting, doctors are fudging test results to say patients had/died of COVID instead of the flu?


PCR tests aren't capable of consistently distinguishing flu infections from COVID infections.
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Either the majority of the population opt’ing to do things like wearing masks, social distancing, staying indoors, has caused the number of flu cases to drastically drop…or…medical professionals are maliciously or mistakenly conflating patients with the flu to COVID.

Occam’s razor - simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 28 2021 10:51am)
Seems like a simple question and simpler answer. Right from day one, patients with "covid-like symptoms" have been diagnosed with Covid since early 2020. A positive test is not required for a diagnosis of covid. Turns out, the Flu and Covid share most symptoms. The flu, however, does not provide extra government funding to hospitals. Covid does. If you were a doctor, would you bother to verify covid vs flu if it's going to cut your funding in half? :)


Except they didn't stop doing flu tests on hospitalized patients
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 28 Aug 2021 16:12)
First, going back to day 1, this is false. The requirement for a "positive test" for extra funding did not take effect in the US until Sept 2020, and hospitals opposed it. Second, only a basic PCR test, is required to get the funding, and those tests are notoriously bad for showing positive for non-covid coronaviruses, flu viruses, etc.



Don't need a test to get vaccine. Just need to go into your local walmart/walgreens/cvs and ask for a vaccine. Some places may test, but it's absolutely not a requirement. And once again, your basic PCR test throws so many false positives it's not even funny. And again, hospitals fought the Trump Administration mandate that ANY form of positive test would be required to gain the extra funding. Even the Wall Street Journal reported on it.

Nonsensical posts from people desperate for a cold to be considered airborne ebola, yet denying that the flu is still a thing is hilarious. Not gonna lie.


You think all these people died from the flu, 650k soon 750k ? and post mortem tests ? and you think people on ventilators have flu ?
Mentally challenged people would think that eventually....
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Either the majority of the population opt’ing to do things like wearing masks, social distancing, staying indoors, has caused the number of flu cases to drastically drop…or…medical professionals are maliciously or mistakenly conflating patients with the flu to COVID.

Occam’s razor - simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones


LOL. Doctors don't need to maliciously or even mistakenly conflate patients. They receive extra government funding for all covid patients. They've been incentivized to treat flu patients as covid patients.

Further, perhaps you should take a look at what the Sars2 virus looks like under a microscope, and what the flu virus looks like under a microscope. They're so incredibly similar they're damn near indistinguishable. There's a reason why the PCR tests throw positives for non-covid coronaviruses and flu viruses both. :)

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Aug 2021 09:22)
You think all these people died from the flu, 650k soon 750k ? and post mortem tests ? and you think people on ventilators have flu ?
Mentally challenged people would think that eventually....


Time for the desperate strawman? Nobody ever made that statement. This topic is asking what happened to the flu. Simple answer: It's still here. Convoluted science denier answer? "Masks and social distancing cured it!" Wut? Just LOL.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Aug 28 2021 10:26am
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 28 2021 09:12am)
First, going back to day 1, this is false. The requirement for a "positive test" for extra funding did not take effect in the US until Sept 2020, and hospitals opposed it. Second, only a basic PCR test, is required to get the funding, and those tests are notoriously bad for showing positive for non-covid coronaviruses, flu viruses, etc.



Don't need a test to get vaccine. Just need to go into your local walmart/walgreens/cvs and ask for a vaccine. Some places may test, but it's absolutely not a requirement. And once again, your basic PCR test throws so many false positives it's not even funny. And again, hospitals fought the Trump Administration mandate that ANY form of positive test would be required to gain the extra funding. Even the Wall Street Journal reported on it.

Nonsensical posts from people desperate for a cold to be considered airborne ebola, yet denying that the flu is still a thing is hilarious. Not gonna lie.


I said you need to get tested prior to get the vax if you have already had it.. which is absolutely true.. They wait until your antibody level is low enough so you don't get really sick from VAX.
Yes you can go get a test from wallgreens etc. but that's not how this is working in real life..
What actually happens outside Bob's basement.
1. Person feels ill, tells his employer he doesn't feel well " person must get a negative test to come back to work" there is step 1. 1- test
2. If person tests postive, each company is doing contract tracing. so there is 1-xxxx amount of people that had +15 minutes of exposure accumulative for over 24 hours. there is typically 4-5 people that need tests.. I have seen 20+ from one person. Typically 5-20 test from ONE COVID positive person in the workplace. (running total 5-21 avg.)
3. If said person was not around anyone he needs a negative test to return to work. (-21)
4. If one of the contract tracings test positive they also must get a negative test to return to work**regardless of symptoms.
5. The contract tracing begins with person #2. Expand again 5-20 people in the work place.
So you claim that everyone just walks into the Dr. to get treated for the flu and/or COVID without knowing is COMPLETE basement BS.
1 Symptomatic person typically results in over 30+ tests.
get off the sauce and the internet.. Get outside so you can stop claiming ridiculous BS


This post was edited by theCrossbones on Aug 28 2021 10:35am
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