Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 14 Aug 2021 10:55)

The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989

Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T-cells in mice, and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

My posts are fucking relevant and you know it. Fear my posts. :lol:

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 14 Aug 2021 18:15)

That proves what? It doesn't refute or even challenge what I said. You're indicating that they're not "new" in some way that we know what the mid to long term effects are. That's false. The first mRNA vaccine that will make it to the mid to long term study are the Covid vaccines. Even more interesting, https://www.biospace.com/article/new-vaccine-candidate-shows-potential-against-several-variants/ should provide you an interesting read.

Now, the other thing to note: At the moment there are some 4000 covid variants. Of them, 4 are listed by the CDC as of concern (alpha, beta, delta, gamma) with 17 additional variants being actively monitored by the WHO. Given some, such as the Delta variant, appear to be pretty effective at getting past the vaccine, at what point does the vaccine become worthless? At what point do we get to where we say, "Listen, people've gotta live their lives. If some die, that sucks, but it is what it is." ??

Every year there's a flu shot. Initial Influenza strains killed hundreds of millions. Today, people get the flu, and it sucks, but not much more for the majority of people. The vast majority who die from the flu really end up with pneumonia. Each year, anywhere from 2 to 10 flu shots come out. The worst variants are targeted and we hope that'll work. Roughly 50% of the population gets their shots. There's not much in the way of immunity to the flu. More a built up resistance to it. Given the overwhelming number of variants for Covid, at what point does it simply become the new flu?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 14 Aug 2021 11:28)

Covid is NEW and no one had natural antibodies against it.
Covid Vaccines saved alot of lives, unlike the selfish fucks who campaign against it.

Goodbye.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 14 2021 09:29am)

True, and a very valid point. In some ways, this is yet another reason that those of us interested in the actual science are paying such close attention to things. So, several points for you to consider:

1. According to the CDC, vaccinated people can still contract and become carriers and asymptomatic spreaders of the virus.
2. There is no prior evidence from coronaviruses specifically, which we know a LOT about, that they leave any such time-delayed issues.
3. The #1 case of a virus hanging out dormant and reemerging is Chickenpox, which becomes shingles. However, the vaccine, in that case, is a weakened strain, and can indeed reemerge later as Shingles.
4. The concern with the mRNA vaccines has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's a vaccine. It has everything to do with a new method being forced on people against their will when there have not been studies about mid to long term effects. Covid, on the other hand, is something that you may catch, that may or may not do anything bad to you. In effect, the comparison you're attempting to make would be similar to taking healthy people and starting them on chemo, even though they show no signs of cancer, or cutting women's breasts off even though they don't have breast cancer, and don't have a family history of it. "This could happen, and it'd be worse, so we're going to force you to do this other bad thing for prevention." Now, is the vaccine a bad thing? We don't know. We don't think so, but it's not knowable.

And once again, I thought you're a fan of "My Body, My Choice"? The vaccine's available to you and your loved ones. Why should you be attempting to force others to take it?

And the last thought would have to do with the Delta Variant. According to the American Society for Microbiology, the Delta Variant is more highly contagious, though it appears to not have as bad of symptoms. It also appears that the vaccines are not as effective in it's prevention, with a ton of "breakthrough" cases.

So I suppose the question would be, if Covid is unique among coronaviruses in long term impacts, but even with the vaccine it's still quite possible to get, AND the Delta Variant having such wonderful breakthrough capability, isn't it possible that patients could suffer any/all of the possible mid to long term impacts of the vaccine, and still suffer whatever mid to long term impacts covid would magically be producing?

I mean, since you mentioned science, and all. :)

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Aug 14 2021 10:05am)

No, flat out, I was addressing you on your own level, mocking. You don't discuss or debate, nor do you add anything to conversations ever. There's literally zero in your posts that require critical thought.

And, if you slowed down long enough to pay attention, you'd also realize that I've already had covid. Thus, a viral vector vaccine would be almost entirely useless. Further, the J&J's efficacy against the Delta Variant is poor.

Now, do you have any other magical suggestions?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 14 2021 12:20pm)

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