I have made a hand crafted limestone statuette to give to your mother for her birthday.

And you can keep being wrong. Shit like Operation Paperclip was post-war. People like Einstein immigrated before the war, and were therefore American, not "purchased". J Robert Oppenheimer was American.

https://www.history.com/news/wwii-nazi-atomic-secrets-alsos-mission-kidnap-heisenberg


Here's an article about it - straight from the literal history channel.

It talks about kidnapping nazi scientists, rescuing turn coats and using them to create our own bomb. "purchased" might have been the wrong word, but we acquired them and used them - regardless, and they were extremely useful. The article also mentions btw that the Nazis were in fact using Uranium and were not on the 'wrong track' in their research. I actually took your word for granted and now have to revoke your credit lol.

The conclusion I drew from the article is that Germany (as a leading researcher of nuclear technology as early as 1938) could and would have absolutely secured the atom bomb before the Americans did - and very likely before Normandy, if Hitler had not undermined himself by accusing nuclear scientists of engaging in "jew sorcery" and if the scientists themselves weren't actively undermining the effort anyway.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Sep 15 2021 07:50am

Go read your link. The raid in question: April 22, 1945. The Trinity test (for which they had labored for many many months to amass the fissile materials) was July 16, 1945. Please.

You're right about the date, but do you not see how that isn't helping you?

I think you're getting my timeline of points mixed up. I'll explain if you want me to

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Sep 15 2021 07:57am

The raid which secured this band of Nazi (And apparently American sympathetic) scientists was on April 22, 2945 - that's right.

So let's put this on a timeline:

Japan attacks pearl harbor on December 7th, 1941 - America declares war on the Axis.

America and the rest of the allies finally invade Normandy on June 6, 1944 - this gives Hitler almost 3 whole years to continue development of the atomic bomb - (remember, as of 1938, Germany was the leading country in atomic research - including use of Uranium based devices like the ones we used on Japan) imagine if he had actually not been a racist moron and actually forced his best Jewish minds to work on the bomb, instead of calling it 'jew sorcery' and actively undermining the project himself.


to my second point:

By the time the allies were considering land invasion in Japan, they were very close to finishing the atom bomb themselves - I agree with you, but the April 22nd 1945 raid you pointed out would have still given the Americans a nearly 4 month jump start on completing the bomb. Its reasonable to infer that they would not have had the atomic bomb before thousands more American troops were slaughtered in a land invasion of Japan. Sure, we would have gained the atomic bomb ourselves, but it is unclear how much longer it would have taken - 4 more months - A year? Who knows?


My entire point in this thread has been that America has consistently relied on brute force to win conflicts and is actually an international idiot - from a tactical point of view. The truth is that whenever America has been expected to compete on the merit of their actual combat skill and strategy, they have pretty much failed in every notable contest they've participated in.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Sep 15 2021 08:17am

just as a point of interest maybe?

years ago i found a article suggesting atomic(s) were used on the russians. they were citing some historical recorded statements and the massive russian casualties. at the very least it was an interesting article.

This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 15 2021 08:16am

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they have a tracking chip in them.. The wind powers the GPS navigation.
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