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Quote (Surfpunk @ Jul 15 2021 05:13pm)
You expect moderation? In PaRD? LOL.


Took them 10 days to close my Nyanners thread.
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US actively interfered with Argentina, the Soviet union, and China.

You really won't find a left wing government anywhere we didn't actively fuck with.


Duh, of course the US interfered with its main rivals on the world stage. This clearly does not mean, however, that the US is responsible for everything that went wrong in these countries.

And it doesn't address the point I made - I asked if the actions of the US can realistically be considered to have caused/triggered Mao's Great Leap Forward, the failure of Argentina's deficit spending during the 90s or the aggressive expansionist policies of the Soviet Union in the years after 1945. And let's not forget that the Soviets in particular did actively fuck with the West too. Maybe we should blame the shortcomings of capitalism on their subversive actions from decades ago.

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Duh, of course the US interfered with its main rivals on the world stage. This clearly does not mean, however, that the US is responsible for everything that went wrong in these countries.

And it doesn't address the point I made - I asked if the actions of the US can realistically be considered to have caused/triggered Mao's Great Leap Forward, the failure of Argentina's deficit spending during the 90s or the aggressive expansionist policies of the Soviet Union in the years after 1945. And let's not forget that the Soviets in particular did actively fuck with the West too.


I think to continue we're going to have to look at what claim you're trying to support.

Are you claiming communism can't work in any capacity? Or that communism always results in deaths? Or what? Because what question we are wanting to answer will determine how we continue.

Famines and issues from mismanagement also happen in capitalist countries, but because capitalist countries aren't actively destabilized by the West we have a far larger group to draw from. If you have 99% of the world as capitalist it's comparatively easy to pick out the winners and say they are great while ignoring all the shitty things. When a small country tries to go anything other than capitalist, and often even if they stay capitalist but refuse to pay economic tithe to the global powers, their government is typically torn down from foreign interferrence and a power favorable to Western interests is installed.
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you know i had no idea there was a protest in cuba or that cuba hasn't haven't voted for their leader in 60 years
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you know i had no idea there was a protest in cuba or that cuba hasn't haven't voted for their leader in 60 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-KpLmLTQk


It turns out that "trained Marxists" do in fact support Marxist regimes. I don't usually listen to Shapiro, but it's a good take. The same people who are so quick to say "that isn't what we want here" can't help but rush in and defend those exact same regimes at the slightest opportunity. The notion that an embargo on Cuba, primarily denying them foreign exchange in the form of US tourism dollars, is the reason Cuba is poor is, while incorrect, a defacto recognition that communism in Cuba has failed.
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you know i had no idea there was a protest in cuba or that cuba hasn't haven't voted for their leader in 60 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-KpLmLTQk


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It turns out that "trained Marxists" do in fact support Marxist regimes. I don't usually listen to Shapiro, but it's a good take. The same people who are so quick to say "that isn't what we want here" can't help but rush in and defend those exact same regimes at the slightest opportunity. The notion that an embargo on Cuba, primarily denying them foreign exchange in the form of US tourism dollars, is the reason Cuba is poor is, while incorrect, a defacto recognition that communism in Cuba has failed.




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you know i had no idea there was a protest in cuba or that cuba hasn't haven't voted for their leader in 60 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-KpLmLTQk



Ron DeSantis just told Cuba “If the military starts a Junta, we will help”
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Reminder that stonetoss is a literal nazi
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Jul 16 2021 08:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 15 2021 06:42pm)
Duh, of course the US interfered with its main rivals on the world stage. This clearly does not mean, however, that the US is responsible for everything that went wrong in these countries.

And it doesn't address the point I made - I asked if the actions of the US can realistically be considered to have caused/triggered Mao's Great Leap Forward, the failure of Argentina's deficit spending during the 90s or the aggressive expansionist policies of the Soviet Union in the years after 1945. And let's not forget that the Soviets in particular did actively fuck with the West too. Maybe we should blame the shortcomings of capitalism on their subversive actions from decades ago.


Allende was murdered by the US to install Pinochet who was a fascist dictator.


Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 15 2021 10:32pm)
you know i had no idea there was a protest in cuba or that cuba hasn't haven't voted for their leader in 60 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-KpLmLTQk


Cancelling elections is a republicans dream lol.

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