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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 30 2021 08:35am)
Actually, I think this thread might be more useful. The people who are honest are acknowledging the hypocrisy either here or on discord, and the bad-faith posters are using this as an opportunity to shine a massive spotlight on themselves. We're only missing a few of the most dishonest posters, but I imagine they'll show up sooner or later.


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It's almost like you can set a clock to it.
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Jun 30 2021 09:45am)
It's almost like you can set a clock to it.


Just missing void bogie and Ghot.
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Actually, I think this thread might be more useful. The people who are honest are acknowledging the hypocrisy either here or on discord, and the bad-faith posters are using this as an opportunity to shine a massive spotlight on themselves. We're only missing a few of the most dishonest posters, but I imagine they'll show up sooner or later.


Who are you talking to?
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Who are you talking to?


Himself. He's just framing his lack of an argument around the notion that everyone else is dishonest.
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Himself. He's just framing his lack of an argument around the notion that everyone else is dishonest.


The Democrats are acting like a crazy cat lady that has been plotting divorce for ten years.

During the divorce proceedings they are going to make up stories about abuse because the lawyer told them to.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 30 2021 01:20am)
Guy's crazy.

" (4) Since 2010, the Department of State has adhered to the
working definition of Anti-Semitism by the European Monitoring
Center on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC). Some contemporary
examples of anti-Semitism include the following:
(A) Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing
or harming of Jews (often in the name of a radical
ideology or an extremist view of religion).
(B) Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or
stereotypical allegations about Jews as such, or the
power of Jews as a collective, especially, but not
exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or
of Jews controlling the media, economy, government, or
other societal institutions."

Not part of the law, just a set of definitions and basis for the bill.

https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/publ434/PLAW-115publ434.htm


I thought it was to withhold federal funds which is why it reminded me of what u were talking about
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Fun fact: had there been no 3/5ths compromise and slaves counted as a full person for the purpose of seat apportionment, the power of the Southern states in American politics would have been higher, and the Southern Bloc would have had an outright majority in many situations. The entire politics of the United States would have shifted in favor of the interest of the slave states. And it were indeed the Southern states which were arguing in favor of full counting of slaves during the Constitutional Convention while the Northern states were the ones arguing they should not be counted.

https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/madison-the-writings-vol-3-1787#preview
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Mr. Butler & Genl. Pinkney [slave-holding founding fathers from South Carolina] insisted that blacks be included in the rule of Representation equally with the whites; and for that purpose moved that the words “three-fifths” be struck out.
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Mr. Butler insisted that the labour of a slave in S. Carola. was as productive & valuable as that of a freeman in Massts., that as wealth was the great means of defence and utility to the Nation they were equally valuable to it with freemen; and that consequently an equal representation ought to be allowed for them in a Government which was instituted principally for the protection of property, and was itself to be supported by property.


Without the 3/5ths compromise, it would either have taken several extra decades before the issue blows over and is resolved via civil war; or the North would have had enough much earlier, at a time when its industrialization and population growth were not advanced enough to actually win the war, leaving a split of the union or a loss/draw in a premature civil war the most likely outcome.





So in historical context, the Northern states were the ones pushing for the 3/5ths compromise as an act of defense against the slave states seizing even more disproportionate power. Setting aside all complicated historical context to arrive at an undifferentiated conclusion that "the Constiution is fundamentally racist" does very little to understand the evolution of the Constitution, the historical, legal and political battle over slavery, racism and civil rights in America.

In spite of all the progress that has been made, in spite of America today being magnitudes less racist than the America of the 18th and 19th century, these programs would plant the idea that America still is rotten and racist to its core in the malleable minds of young people, poisoning race relations and subverting national unity. That's a dangerous path leading backward, not forward.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 30 2021 12:20pm
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When the government stops giving money they otherwise would give because of speech, that is the government actively punishing specific speech.


You are operating under the assumption that the government has an obligation to fund schools and colleges irrespective of the content of what is actually taught there. That's obviously not true, at least on a philosophical/moral level. The state funds public education to serve a purpose, to teach its next generation accurate knowledge about, among other things, the history of the nation and how it turned into the country it is today. It serves to form the students and turn them into enlightened, civic minded young people (not BLM-acolytes).

When teachers and professors abandon this part of their job description and instead indoctrinate their students with a perspective which is, to quote renowned and generally liberal-leaning historians, "wrong in so many ways" and an "unbalanced, one-sided account that leaves most of history out", they cease doing the job the state is paying them for.

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