ur playing into Israel's hands. leftist largely criticize specific govt action of Israel, and Israel and zealots respond that ANY criticism is antiemetic, just as any support or even remorse for Palestine is antiemetic. It's a false binary created by zealots to defend any and all criticism of Israel, stemming back from the Holocaust when the world gave them a blank check. Blank checks have expiration dates, Israel doesnt like this. but dont play into their hands.

I would have thought a German would be better at distrusting jews.

What makes you think I support giving Israel a blank check or censoring criticism of Israel (in cases where the criticism is fair and doesn't veer into anti-semitic tropes)? I do not.

All I'm saying is that the pro-Israel lobby is a faction of its own, for the very reasons you just listed. When it comes to setting off censorship attempts, they should be a category of their own and not be lumped together with conservatism at-large.

dude, they literally have LAWS that treat jewish israelis preferential to muslims, it's not "only" what they practice on a day to day basis. apartheid regime is a statement of FACT, it's not an exaggeration, it's not a bad faith spin, it's a lived reality in israel, lol. also, you completely dodged the point here: trying to end the unjust displacement, torture, killing, and imprisonment of a people is no the same as "cancelling israel". basically no one on "the left" wants to "cancel israel" altogether.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
list of discriminatory laws: https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index

concerning your other talking point: which conservative thought / idea is censored in media or college campuses? be specific. all you're doing there is mindlessly regurgitating baseless FOX news culture war propaganda. i gave you concrete examples (and provided sources) of how conservative cancel culture goes after books / reporters / corporations they disagree with, how they make targeted efforts at silencing them.

categorizing leftist criticism of Israel as being anti israel in total and upplaying the mountains to sea narratives as if they're anything but fringe loonies is what gives me that impression.

by my estimation those in the right wing that categorically dismiss any and all Israeli criticism are far more prevalent than those who categorically wish to see Israel defeated and undone in the left wing, by several orders of magnitude. largely due to religious justifications creating an intersectional political alliance between Christians and the Israeli's, also a holdover from the blank check era post Holocaust that people dont seem to be able to let go of, lastly the fact that labelling theory as "racist" is largely ineffectual on many right wing voters and draws eye rolls but "antiemetic" still holds a lot of power in both political spheres. Look just at how large of a portion of right winged voters cheered at the move of the Embassy back to Jerusalem as if it wasn't just a symbolic gesture that had little if any realistic purpose.

the simple fact is that left and right winged voters have differing opinions on what constitutes antisemitism when it comes to Israeli policy criticism, and the right wing uses far too loose of a definition on average by comparison. Similarly they view defense of Palestinian human rights themselves as antisemitism and pro terrorism.

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The pro-Israel lobby is not a faction of its own. It's securely a right wing movement and has the bulk of its support in the Republican party. The leftists who criticize Israel do not generally want Israel to be dissolved by violence or otherwise, unless we're talking about the fringe loonies. And even then the most left people I follow, who are straight up anarchists (far left libertarian) fundamentally acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

I think you're buying into pro-Israel propaganda without realizing it.

what were they cancelling?

Should retitle thread left do about 90% of the cancel culture and here is a reminder that right do it also from time to time

I disagree. The right calls for boycotts constantly.

For every one I'll give you nine from the left. Let's be real here

I think I am the one being real lol

Conservatives try to censor things all the time. Try publishing a book or series with LGBTQ themes and you'll be met with massive pushback still. Queer representation is still pretty underdeveloped.