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May 21 2021 09:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 21 2021 11:20pm)
You still live under the protection of the military and police. You are using the internet that was developed with public funding.

You're a manchild pretending to be a sovereign citizen on the internet lol


Did you see the keyword "Most"? There's reasons i didn't use the word "ALL".

You should focus on blue vs red. less variables to think of.

Have a good weekend.

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May 21 2021 09:22pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ May 21 2021 09:27pm)
Calling capitalism communism doesn’t make it communism. If there are classes, a state, and the state ensures the stratification of those classes, you do not have communism.

Edit: Xi is a more effective capitalist than Musk. The CCP is more effective at maintaining and protecting the ruling class than the GOP. The seething jealously results in jeers of “communist!”



Mostly correct minus the absence of god and due process.
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ May 21 2021 10:20pm)
Did you see the keyword "Most"? Reason i didn't use the word "ALL".

You should just focus on blue vs red. less variables to think of.

Have a good weekend.


and by "most" you mean "not to any meaningful extent"

My mice grew out last week so I have to measure and treat them every 12 hours. So I probably won't have a great weekend for several more months. But it'll be worth it if the project works since we'll start translating it into a phase 2 clinical trial.
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May 21 2021 09:29pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ May 22 2021 09:02am)
Taxation is not theft. It's part of the trade-off of living in a society, and libertarian alternatives to this concept are only permutations of this dynamic, but with a different name. The concept of the NAP, while rife with idealism, is simply that. Life is coercion, power, and full of grey areas.


If people wanted something done there are private contractors which the government employs anyway gov is just a middle man that takes a very heavy cut
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May 21 2021 09:32pm
@My Fellow Americans. Are you happy with the way your taxes $ were used in the last 5 -10 years? Are you happy with your free healthcare? Education system? Roads ?

Reality is most your tax $ went into the Military to kill innocents abroad. Still no free healthcare, most states crumbling due to poverty and lack of investment on infrastructures + rampant corruption within the establishment.
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May 21 2021 09:34pm
As usual black and white thinkers give black and white answers.

There are many examples of taxation that are theft and plenty that are not theft in various times and places.

I pay ~500 a month in property tax. This isn't theft because it only occurs due to owning property, which wouldn't be possible without a government etc.. But what is fair taxation can vary and the Cams and Santaras of the world are as right as anybody in the right time space.

Just got in from the reds game, was decent.


Quote (cambovenzi @ May 21 2021 06:04pm)
This presupposes everything is already everyone's property. Its not.


It's just stuff in the world for people to use in the case of no social contract. And hitting is fair game in that world.


Quote (EndlessSky @ May 21 2021 10:22pm)
I love how he assumes that hierarchies don't exist literally everywhere in nature.


There are worms and their food. The only hierarchy.

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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ May 21 2021 08:16pm)
You did, i didn't. Was born forced to. I decided to take matter in my own hand by becoming my own boss and controlling most aspect of my life.


So it sounds like you found a solution that works for everyone then.

Quote (cambovenzi @ May 21 2021 08:14pm)
This was refuted on the first page


I didn't see any convincing arguments so you'll have to explicitly point them out. It seems to me that if people enumerated every single desired benefit that they get from the state and put a fair market value on it, they'd see that their tax burden is significantly lower than what they WOULD pay for the same services.
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May 21 2021 09:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 21 2021 11:36pm)
So it sounds like you found a solution that works for everyone then.



I didn't see any convincing arguments so you'll have to explicitly point them out. It seems to me that if people enumerated every single desired benefit that they get from the state and put a fair market value on it, they'd see that their tax burden is significantly lower than what they WOULD pay for the same services.


American citizenship is worth at least half a million bucks with all the resources the government puts into citizens.
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Quote (Skinned @ May 21 2021 08:41pm)
American citizenship is worth at least half a million bucks with all the resources the government puts into citizens.


Indeed. Rothbard's argument is pretty juvenile IMO because he doesn't go to the logical conclusion. If there was no penalty for breaching your contract, idiots would pay less in taxes because people want to freeload. Then society would devolve and we'd look around and say, "wow this is really fucking shitty...let's come up with a mechanism to address these problems." Then we'd be back to where we are today. The very existence of the state shows that the argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny and it takes a rather static view of the world.
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May 21 2021 09:58pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 21 2021 11:55pm)
Indeed. Rothbard's argument is pretty juvenile IMO because he doesn't go to the logical conclusion. If there was no penalty for breaching your contract, idiots would pay less in taxes because people want to freeload. Then society would devolve and we'd look around and say, "wow this is really fucking shitty...let's come up with a mechanism to address these problems." Then we'd be back to where we are today. The very existence of the state shows that the argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny and it takes a rather static view of the world.


Weird Rothbard never heard of the tragedy of the commons. But he was weird. Pretty sure he believed adults should be able to sell their children to each other lol. Like ok epstein.
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