Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 24 2021 06:58am)

Only if you simultaneously abolish the Press.

If you wish to attack the civil rights embodied in the First Amendment, gotta attack them all. No more propaganda of ANY form, every misspeak equals mob justice, yes?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 24 2021 07:07am)

There is separation of Church and State.

You don't get it, do you? The right to worship doesn't mean we get to judge how people express their faith. It merely means that those faiths must operate within the same laws as the rest (IE: No human sacrifice).

The press does not serve an "objective" function. When they're editing videos to remove stabbing attempts to make it look like horrible cop murders, they're attempting to spawn riots. That's literally more damaging than any legal religion in the US.

We get that you are not into religion. Outside of pure scholarly interest, I'm with you on that. On the flipside, outlawing people's personal beliefs? Who are you to attempt to impose YOUR atheist beliefs on them? Exactly how authoritarian are you, Stalin?

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 24 Apr 2021 05:26)

WHAT, your first paragraph is nonsensical. Of course I get to judge, especially when a group promotes policy to oppress american citizens. Or when Christians ask for money to do a charity trip to help the less fortunate, then you find out later they went to a 5 star hotel and handed out jesus magazines instead of actual help.

Our press serves the interests of the people. Not talking about a specific outlet, but in aggregate. This has always been the case, and why it's important to have many sources. On the other hand, Churches have always exploited other groups. The southern Baptist pushed for the religious protection first amendment for that reason.

I would gladly impose a belief based on reality than embrace one based on christian theology fantasy.

Edit: I do enjoy religion, but don't subscribe to one. It's good to explore spirituality. The Japanese Shintoism seems best from all I've studied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 24 2021 10:56am)

If you wish to make an argument that religious institutions should not be utilized for charitable causes, sure! I'm with you. Because tax dollars should not be utilized for "charity" at all. These dollars are stolen from my paycheck. I need my earnings, or I wouldn't fucking work. So we agree, stop claiming government handouts are "charity" and stop funding any form.

Our press are primarily narrative driven activists with a minority of profiteers. The number of actual informative journalists can be counted without even having to remove one's shoes. Stop with the nonsense already.

As I said, there's separation of church and state. The fact that you hate religion and want to see it burn is your own problem. The fact that government officials use religious institutions to either launder money or try to use stolen money to gain face time is horrible, but the decision of GOVERNMENT, not religion.

Honestly, get wrecked with that nonsense.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Apr 24 2021 12:20pm)

When did I say tax dollars used for charity? When did I say I hate religion? Your rebuttal has failed to wreck anything. It's fine to disagree, but don't imply I hold beliefs to fit your fantasy strawman arguments.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 24 Apr 2021 10:20)

When did I say tax dollars used for charity? When did I say I hate religion? Your rebuttal has failed to wreck anything. It's fine to disagree, but don't imply I hold beliefs to fit your fantasy strawman arguments.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 24 Apr 2021 05:26)

Or when Christians ask for money to do a charity

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 24 2021 12:35pm)

Are you saying that Christians asking other Christians for money is something that the government needs to regulate? Perhaps I made an assumption. If so, my apologies. Yet it's now gotten worse. You want to abolish the right to worship because followers of a religion provide money towards that religions causes?

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 24 Apr 2021 10:50)

No, was just ranting how I got swindelled by the local apostolics going on a mission trip and my dumbass gifting them some $.

No, the right to worship is sacred, but the large religious institutions need to be in check. The large ones have been able to utilize vast sums of capitol and influence through their membership to realize their philinthropic vision which is not always inline with the states.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 24 2021 12:54pm)

The right to practice religion is a human right as defined by the bill of rights. No, they do not need to be "in check" by government forces. Nobody cares if you wasted time or money. If you don't like religion, stop supporting it.