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Mar 30 2021 05:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 30 2021 05:35pm)
Again: violence against innocent bystanders is not acceptable, even if the system is broken.

And even if it was morally or ethically acceptable, that would still be really shitty approach, strategically speaking. The fact that the BLM protests last summer ended with widespread mayhem and violence has arguably cost Democrats at least 2 Senate seats and a dozen or so House seats. If the movement hadnt overplayed its hand and provided Republicans with disastrous imagery of burning buildings to counter the disastrous image of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck, then Democrats would have the majorities to pass legislation for far more significant social progress. The BLM protests had the moral high ground and the momentum. The looting and arson are the only thing that prevented the dam from fully breaking if you ask me.


What is acceptable or not is dependent on our social contract. If you shred the contract then acceptability loses meaning. In your opinion it's not acceptable because the social contract is still working for you.

I think they either need to go full or not at all. Either go full "there's gonna be consequences for injustice" or stick entirely to imagery of Floyd and actively punish non-peaceful actors. There's no effective middle ground IMO.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 31 Mar 2021 00:35)
Again: violence against innocent bystanders is not acceptable, even if the system is broken.

And even if it was morally or ethically acceptable, that would still be really shitty approach, strategically speaking. The fact that the BLM protests last summer ended with widespread mayhem and violence has arguably cost Democrats at least 2 Senate seats and a dozen or so House seats. If the movement hadnt overplayed its hand and provided Republicans with disastrous imagery of burning buildings to counter the disastrous image of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck, then Democrats would have the majorities to pass legislation for far more significant social progress. The BLM protests had the moral high ground and the momentum. The looting and arson are the only thing that prevented the dam from fully breaking if you ask me.


do you ever get tired of perpetuating that lazy lie? because it sure doesn't look like it. in reality, the overwhelming majority of protests and protesters were peaceful:

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds

the 'looting and arson' narrative is a fabricated one, pushed by mainstream media, either to generate viewership (centrist media) or to push a certain agenda (right wing media). the simple reality is that no matter how peaceful or respectful a protest against racial discrimination is, right wing bigots will find a way to be offended by it. you could choose one of the most respectful gestures, like kneeling for example, and the right would lose their mind over it.

does that mean i like people burning down or stealing shit? no, of course not, but to suggest that is what BLM is about, while deliberately ignoring their message (a message that has been ignored of decades btw), suggesting that a couple of violent asshats (many of them on the side of the police btw, and right wing instigators that demonstrably started riots to smear blm) made the movement lose its moral highground, is ridiculous. i refuse to believe that people are stupid enough to genuinely think that without CHOOSING to buy into that narrative over the facts. there hasn't been a movement for social justice that was NOT smeared in the exact same way by right wing hacks like yourself. not the civil rights movement, not the suffragettes... it's always the same lazy move...
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Mar 30 2021 06:16pm
Some protests in the middle of nowhere being peaceful do not magically erase the widespread looting, destruction and violence in several major cities across the country.

'Looting and arson' is not a 'fabricated' narrative. There is an abundance of video evidence.

Inconvenience for your deluded narrative does not make reality and truth go away.
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Mar 30 2021 06:21pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 30 2021 07:55pm)
do you ever get tired of perpetuating that lazy lie? because it sure doesn't look like it. in reality, the overwhelming majority of protests and protesters were peaceful:

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds

the 'looting and arson' narrative is a fabricated one, pushed by mainstream media, either to generate viewership (centrist media) or to push a certain agenda (right wing media). the simple reality is that no matter how peaceful or respectful a protest against racial discrimination is, right wing bigots will find a way to be offended by it. you could choose one of the most respectful gestures, like kneeling for example, and the right would lose their mind over it.

does that mean i like people burning down or stealing shit? no, of course not, but to suggest that is what BLM is about, while deliberately ignoring their message (a message that has been ignored of decades btw), suggesting that a couple of violent asshats (many of them on the side of the police btw, and right wing instigators that demonstrably started riots to smear blm) made the movement lose its moral highground, is ridiculous. i refuse to believe that people are stupid enough to genuinely think that without CHOOSING to buy into that narrative over the facts. there hasn't been a movement for social justice that was NOT smeared in the exact same way by right wing hacks like yourself. not the civil rights movement, not the suffragettes... it's always the same lazy move...


idk what media you were watching but all i saw was non stop praise for the protests on main stream news outlets including cnn that continued positive coverage even while their atlanta headquarters was under attack


all the looting/arson pieces i found through random twitter posts
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Mar 30 2021 06:29pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Mar 2021 20:16)
Some protests in the middle of nowhere being peaceful do not magically erase the widespread looting, destruction and violence in several major cities across the country.

'Looting and arson' is not a 'fabricated' narrative. There is an abundance of video evidence.

Inconvenience for your deluded narrative does not make reality and truth go away.



that user still thinks the 2nd and 3rd reichs won the world wars they started. pure delusion
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Quote (duffman316 @ 31 Mar 2021 02:21)
idk what media you were watching but all i saw was non stop praise for the protests on main stream news outlets including cnn that continued positive coverage even while their atlanta headquarters was under attack
https://i.redd.it/ldhz3bsixjj51.png

all the looting/arson pieces i found through random twitter posts


focusing predominantly on violent imagery while giving it harmless subtitles is still focusing on the exception while ignoring the peaceful majority and the core message. it's corporate media, it's all about ratings. fire sells, conflict sells, blood sells - structural reform and facing inconvenient truths about systemic problems does not. either you believe anecdotal evidence obtained through filtered (narrative, ratings) sources, or you trust scientific findings.

and of course most of our right wing friends here deliberately missed the core message:

no matter how peaceful or respectful a protest is, right wing bigots will find a way to be offended by it. one could choose a simple and respectful gestures, like kneeling, and the right would lose their mind over it.

there hasn't been a movement for social justice that was not smeared in the exact same way, suggesting it's just violent thugs and disrespectful, ungrateful bastards, and therefore no one should not listen to their demands, if only they were more "civil" or "moral" one could maybe take their grievances seriously - ignoring the fact that for decades literally nothing happened. it's always the same lazy move...
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 30 2021 02:50pm)
Another old Asian woman attacked this week in NYC.

How is that bail reform working?


Gookvirus isn't a racist term, cuck.


Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 30 2021 08:16pm)
Some protests in the middle of nowhere being peaceful do not magically erase the widespread looting, destruction and violence in several major cities across the country.

'Looting and arson' is not a 'fabricated' narrative. There is an abundance of video evidence.

Inconvenience for your deluded narrative does not make reality and truth go away.


An abundance of evidence validating the concerns of both sides, and enough partisan people in each side to keep it going!

The struggle alone is enough to fill one's heart -- Camus

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 30 2021 07:41pm
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Defunding anything doesn't change it's inherent properties or problems.

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Good thing I was here tonight...



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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 30 2021 03:13pm)
Walmart goes away, and all those mom and pop stores that paid more per hour are still around, and you're basically in the same place with purchasing power but with the profits from Wal-Mart being in the hands of thousands of moms and pops.

We do not need mega-corporations to raise our buying power or to bring costs down, and there's a lot of evidence that the exact opposite happens.

Giant corporations are generally more efficient, and the result of that efficiency is concentrated wealth which eventually causes other problems, including giving those same people outsized power to then abuse the lower classes by passing laws favorable to those already with money.


Walmart has the ability to supply those goods at those prices, the smaller shops don't. By definition that means less purchasing power.

Larger firms offer more competitive salaries, generally, and outcompete for top talent. Smaller shops are not overpaying for their help. The dishwasher is getting minimum wage and the owner is pocketing the difference.

There are some problems that come along with mega-corps, but the alternative is not an idyllic 1950s style fantasy. Life in simple economic terms is much better, but the jobs available and the structure of employment and markets has changed quite a bit.

All that being said, smaller shops are making a comeback in many places, but they tend to be upscale and focused on out-competing on quality, not price. That's good. Taking away cheap food from the poor is bad. Most poor people don't work at Walmart, but they can shop there. Higher prices inherently reduces their quality of life.


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