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lol ,people with more muscle mass have less physical ailments later on life

BMI is useless for someone who has significant muscle mass and is also lean.

There's evidence that excess muscle mass causes similar problems to obesity. Not of the same magnitude obviously.



BMI is a useful health indicator for 99% of the population. That there are edge cases does not discredit it's general use.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 10 2021 08:53am

You're going to have to define "useful". As I stated, it's the only true "easy" way to measure general health. Even the "99%" number is not accurate. The fact is, a large portion of the adult population who either works out or works in physical labor has an extremely low body fat percentage, and falls into the "overweight" category. And oddly, the highest survival rate among those who suffer from cardiovascular distress (heart attack, stroke, etc.) falls in the "Overweight" category of the BMI index, NOT the "healthy" or "underweight". The fact that you wish to push a "edge theory" on BMI is your own personal bias showing through, and has little or nothing to do with the data or the science.

Again, BMI is a great tool when attempting to determine national health baselines, but it's not useful at all when trying to apply it directly to people. And one of it's greatest failings is that the "acceptable BMI" is based on a more sedentary lifestyle, think office workers and such. If it were based around hard laborers instead, a good 10-30lbs would be added to each height.

This falls right into the argument AGAINST things like the Michelle Obama school lunch guidelines. While the "average" non-athlete in high school could do just fine on an 850 calorie lunch, 55.5% of high school students participate in athletics. And depending on which sport, daily calorie intake needs to range from 3K-6K for males, 2K-4K for females, with a large focus on breakfast and lunch, and less on dinner. It's not at all uncommon for an athlete's lunch to range around 2000 calories by itself, to be a properly balanced meal that will fuel their extracurriculars, topped with healthy snacks immediately surrounding their sport.

For all your talk of working in the medical field, your extreme willingness to overgeneralize personal health to remove the actual person from the equation leads me to believe that not only are you not a credible source, but the population at large should be thankful you're just a mouse torturer who'll never be allowed near actual people.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 10 2021 09:14am

Please support this with data. I'm very familiar with the body type of construction workers and day laborers. I did a lot of volunteering at free and low income clinics, and BMI is very applicable to their body type.

First you demand data, then provide an anecdote on why your statements are even relevant? If you can't perform a basic google search on the data regarding comparative BMIs of white collar, blue collar, and service jobs, and prevalence of higher BMI with lower body fat percentage, stop claiming to know fuckall about "health".

lol

You made a specific claim. Back it up with evidence. I was telling you why I don't believe you based on my experience in the medical field and the fact that I had to take medical school courses that specifically taught me the utility of BMI including the edge cases.

No Thor, YOU made a specific claim.



You've provided zero data to back up your claim other than a worthless anecdote, and now you're demanding to be proven wrong. No. Back up your own claim, provide evidence, take into account different sectors of the workforce, and prove your statement.

It's not my job to provide data proving you're an idiot. You do well enough on that yourself.

Fine then lol. We both made a claim. Now show me yours and I'll show you mine

Believe it or not, but less than 1% of the population is an athlete with 4% body fat.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 10 2021 09:55am

what's the alternative, that over 1% of the population are weight lifters or body builders?

in which case the horror involved is they dont pay attention to BMI while 99% of people still can use it?

exceptions dont disprove general rules, BMI is still a good health indicator. and in this case, those who can't use it to tell general health are plagued with all sorts of injuries from lifting or have complications from roids or supplements quite often. so a generally good looking but with underlying health concerns group cant use a general rule of thumb for health. shocker.