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Mar 15 2021 09:26am
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 15 2021 10:17am)
The police has already apologized for hitting the lady with the van, it was not on purpose. I'm ok with beating them when they are throwing fireworks at the cops and the protesters even had a fighting dog attack an officer.

We've had several of these antivax/anticovid measures protests turn out fine. When distance is kept and things are peaceful, the police is not going to intervene.


Maybe it wasn't on purpose that the van struck the pedestrian, but it was on purpose that she was shoved to the ground, and it just happened to be into a moving vehicle. What's intellectually any different had he shoved her into traffic? I saw no fireworks in the linked videos, and the only dog I saw was a police dog chewing on a protester.
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Mar 15 2021 12:02pm
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Maybe it wasn't on purpose that the van struck the pedestrian, but it was on purpose that she was shoved to the ground, and it just happened to be into a moving vehicle. What's intellectually any different had he shoved her into traffic? I saw no fireworks in the linked videos, and the only dog I saw was a police dog chewing on a protester.


https://www.dumpert.nl/toppers?selectedId=8088713_ff7a0932

This has more footage of the incident. Dude was trying to smash the window of the police van so he got arrested. Lady got too close and shoved away.

The guy with the fighting dog said "I was just walking there with my pup (12 month old 50kg pitbull)". Police claimed he was threatening to loose the pup on the cop, so they fired a warning shot (in the air).
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Mar 15 2021 12:15pm
anyone has voted today alrdy?
im going on wednesday... problem is i dont even surely know what to vote
no vvd for sure
this years elections arent the greatest imo
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Mar 15 2021 12:18pm
Quote (Santara @ 15 Mar 2021 16:09)
You're obviously confusing me with someone else, dumbass.


i wasn't confusing you for anyone, "dumbass". why are you always so mad, "dumbass"?
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Mar 15 2021 12:53pm
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i wasn't confusing you for anyone, "dumbass". why are you always so mad, "dumbass"?


If you aren't confusing me for someone else, then you should be able to pull up a post by me that's consistent with your bullshit assessment. I'd say I'll wait, but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one.
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Mar 15 2021 01:18pm
Quote (Santara @ Mar 15 2021 04:26pm)
Maybe it wasn't on purpose that the van struck the pedestrian, but it was on purpose that she was shoved to the ground, and it just happened to be into a moving vehicle. What's intellectually any different had he shoved her into traffic? I saw no fireworks in the linked videos, and the only dog I saw was a police dog chewing on a protester.


Literally thrown in front of the bus, that's brutal.. I hope she's pressing charges.

Tbh, these anti covid-regulation protests have been going a bit out of hand, since the introduction of the curfew. Where at first the police were overwhelmed by the instantaneous aggression from the protesters/rioters, without even exchanging words. The end result was a massive riot in many major city in the Netherlands and beyond our borders. It was either stopping the curfew/ or reason with the protesters or adapt to the situation; meaning police should be able to react with similar intensity from the getgo.
Instead of having a government trying to understand the emotional response and wanting to explain/negotiate the curfew in order to deescalate the situation, every politician went into campaign mode: "These criminals need to be deported". (or something similar). There were election ahead!

While at the same time many of these ppl were Henk and Ingrid (average joe), being hurt by their freedoms being taken away, felt poorly understood and were highly emotional on social media steroids combined with boredom... I might be naive to think de-escalation was possible, but at the very least, it might have contributed to it.

Afterwards the intensity these protests did decline, cops acted with more initiative, ie: more aggressive to have more (or probably more accurate: "a") effect. As ppl would expect after such escalations, violent situations for police enforcers and ppl violating the law, happend on daily basis. A few days before this protest, an officer was stabbed in the face for trying to enforce a curfew violation... We praise healthcare workers, but imo cops at these times, are in a rough spot as well and might deserve it more atm.. However, that doesn't count for the cops throwing women under a bus or letting their dogs chew on them while hitting them with a battalion in the face and shooting bullets in the air as a "warning shot" for not letting their dogs abuse them /e^.. (Women in the UK shouldn't complain after seeing this ;) ).

Politically speaking there is more at play. Our elections are happening next Wednesday, during the illegal covid protest, there was an announced climate alarm prostest nation wide (whom did organize it corona proof). Now that was well timed, an effort to motivate undecided voters to the greener/left parties that needed "disruption"
This illegal protest was there at this time, to divert attention away from attention for a green agenda. And partially, they succeeded. Keeping that in mind, it would be naive to believe that aggression was only incited from the police and that this might even be orchestrated to invoke violent videos.

imo, they succeeded and there are (/e: possibly ^^) multiple disciplinary actions that need to be taken against a few officers. Like this one:




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The guy with the fighting dog said "I was just walking there with my pup (12 month old 50kg pitbull)". Police claimed he was threatening to loose the pup on the cop, so they fired a warning shot (in the air).


Ow, there is indeed a guy with a dog behind him.. Fair enough, shot is validated.. Still why letting a dog chew on a guy for so long ?
I mean: the guy is down, arest him or let him run away.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Mar 15 2021 01:34pm
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Quote (fender @ 15 Mar 2021 19:18)
i wasn't confusing you for anyone, "dumbass". why are you always so mad, "dumbass"?

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oh hey, glad you're back. want to comment on your lies regarding german nuclear power plants, earthquakes, geology, and safety?

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That's a ridiculous misrepresentation of the geological facts. A magnitude 9.1 earthquake like in Japan 2011, or anything even remotely close to this magnitude, is literally impossible in Western Europe. As is a massive tsunami. I never claimed that nuclear energy doesnt come with significant risks, I only said that the types of risks which led to the meltdown in Fukushima are non-factors in our country... and that it thus was foolish to base strategic decisions with huge long-term ramifications on the events in Japan which were objectively irrelevant for the situation in Europe.


you literally claimed that germany was not at risk of earthquakes, even though that is not only factually incorrect, but also has been the very reason for shutting down a german nuclear power plant long before fukushima ever happened. now dishonestly moving the goalpost to "w-w-well i only meant 9.1 earthquakes or worse", when experts have repeatedly and specifically warned of earthquakes (and other geological factors, see neckarwestheim) regarding german nuclear power plants, is pathetic face-saving at best, and shitty propaganda either way.

you claiming it's "objectively irrelevant" is a blatant lie, that you can only "justify" by making the mental gymnastics of suggesting that anything short of an earthquake of that magnitude in combination with a tsunami could not possibly lead to a nuclear accident of devastating proportions, which is ridiculous.
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Mar 15 2021 04:19pm
german earthquakes barely manage to leave the slightest crack in even old houses

japan has hundreds of earthquakes every year that are stronger than everything we have and nothing happens

only complete morons take the 4th largest earthquake in history and construct an argument around it
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Mar 15 2021 04:40pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Mar 15 2021 11:19pm)
german earthquakes barely manage to leave the slightest crack in even old houses

japan has hundreds of earthquakes every year that are stronger than everything we have and nothing happens

only complete morons take the 4th largest earthquake in history and construct an argument around it


Fukushima was also designed to resist earthquakes in the region. Probably more so than the German facilities. So we'll actually have to see the report.

In general I'd say it was more of a populist move to close then over that incident, than a realistic risk and benefits analysis. reported casualties of Fukushima is... one.. Quite a few less than building windfarms. But then again, casualties =/= damage to the land/sea mass ^^.
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