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Cuomo.

Please think of the Elderly.


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cant wait til you are elderly and some young otaku calls you a junior boomer lmfao!
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 2 2021 11:07pm)
According to the AP [1], there were a total of around 9000 patients being admitted to nursing homes under Cuomo's directive, which was in effect from March 25 until May 10. So while the Javits center might not have been available for the first 8 days of the directive, from March 25 to April 2, it was available almost a full week before the Bille Jean Center opened up. Which by the way proves ^Arsenic_touch 's claim wrong that "the first temporary hospital went up April 10th".

Anyway, these 9000 cases we're talking about here did not all come due during these first 8 days. At any given week, 2500 beds would presumably have been sufficient or nearly sufficient if 9000 is the total figure after a 6 week span. I would say that at least for the covid patients sent to nursing homes between April 2 and May 10, New York's officials do indeed bear responsibility.

The bottom line is that we cannot pin each and every nursing home deaths which resulted from admitted covid patients on Cuomo, but that we definitely cannot clear him from having significant amounts of blood on his hands either.



[1] https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-coronavirus-pandemic-nursing-homes-512cae0abb55a55f375b3192f2cdd6b5


I think you are nitpicking slivers of dates not understanding the organization challenges with such moves. I'm dealing with it in the private sector these days and I can only imagine it being much worse redtape in the public sector which is less nimble.
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I think you are nitpicking slivers of dates not understanding the organization challenges with such moves. I'm dealing with it in the private sector these days and I can only imagine it being much worse redtape in the public sector which is less nimble.


That's not the point. In a situation of pressing emergency like this, it would be the task of those with the necessary authority to free the workers on the ground from this kind of red tape. Cuomo and/or de Blasio should have said "screw the regulations and bureaucracy, do whatever necessary to protect our vulnerable population".
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That's not the point. In a situation of pressing emergency like this, it would be the task of those with the necessary authority to free the workers on the ground from this kind of red tape. Cuomo and/or de Blasio should have said "screw the regulations and bureaucracy, do whatever necessary to protect our vulnerable population".


ah, like all the republican senators and mayors? well, i guess that explains why you'd call cuomo a murderer, but never lost a word about trump and other high profile republicans being responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths through disinformation, politicising, and anti-science propaganda...

it's hilarious to me that you seem genuinely oblivious to how big of a hypocrite, a political hack you really are, lol.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 3 2021 03:26pm)
That's not the point. In a situation of pressing emergency like this, it would be the task of those with the necessary authority to free the workers on the ground from this kind of red tape. Cuomo and/or de Blasio should have said "screw the regulations and bureaucracy, do whatever necessary to protect our vulnerable population".


Afaik guliani did something like that in the aftermath of 911 and the result was many people developing serious illnesses. Short sighted idiotic bold moves aren't the best idea though i can understand why it might seem appealing over a slower nuanced response.
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ah, like all the republican senators and mayors? well, i guess that explains why you'd call cuomo a murderer, but never lost a word about trump and other high profile republicans being responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths through disinformation, politicising, and anti-science propaganda...

it's hilarious to me that you seem genuinely oblivious to how big of a hypocrite, a political hack you really are, lol.


1. The comparison in this thread was between Cuomo and Cruz, and Cruz was never in a position to make such a life and death decision. It's simply a fact that nothing Cruz did in his political life is single-handedly responsible for as many casualties as Cuomo's nursing home directive.
2. Lots of Trump supporters and myself criticized his handling of covid heavily over the course of last year. This criticism isnt devalued just because I refused to join your obnoxious circle jerk about Trump being " directly responsible for literally tens of thousands of deaths, yada yada".
3. The national media never painted Trump or the GOP governors and mayors as heroes and role models the way they tried to with Cuomo. Trump received lots of well-deserved flak. Cuomo received lots of undeserved praise.

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1. The comparison in this thread was between Cuomo and Cruz, and Cruz was never in a position to make such a life and death decision. It's simply a fact that nothing Cruz did in his political life is single-handedly responsible for as many casualties as Cuomo's nursing home directive.
2. Lots of Trump supporters and myself criticized his handling of covid heavily over the course of last year. This criticism isnt devalued just because I refused to join your obnoxious circle jerk about Trump being " directly responsible for literally tens of thousands of deaths, yada yada".
3. The national media never painted Trump or the GOP governors and mayors as heroes and role models the way they tried to with Cuomo. Trump received lots of well-deserved flak. Cuomo received lots of undeserved praise.


it's amazing how you have no problem claiming that cuomo is "single-handedly responsible for so many casualties" through a "nursing home directive" that you failed to present any alternatives to, but when it comes to the FACT that trump and republican leaders are at fault for tens of thousands of preventable deaths through politicising a pandemic, science-denial, disinformation, and prioritising profits over people, your feelings get hurt and you find it "obnoxious".

yes, you have criticised trump at times (while never missing a chance to downplay his failures though) for his handling of covid-19, but you have never acknowledged that it was a deliberate decision he made for political reasons, knowing it would result in the preventable death of countless people. it wasn't just well intended but incompetent, it was cynical and motivated by self-interest. it just illustrates how big of a hack you are that you not only can't seem to make that distinction, but that you find much harsher words for cuomo's failings, while clutching your pearls over people pointing out how politicising the pandemic in the first place was probably the single worst decision, in terms of lives lost, an american politician has made at least in decades, and that includes all the senseless forever wars started by other republicans...

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Did Trump commit mass murder as well? Or are you just a partisan hack?


LOL

I love when the irony smacks liberals in the face. They spent a year saying Trump is responsible for the deaths. Now that it came out a liberal is responsible they are saying "Wait can someone explain to me how....?????"


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Quote (fuzzy159 @ Mar 3 2021 06:20pm)
LOL

I love when the irony smacks liberals in the face. They spent a year saying Trump is responsible for the deaths. Now that it came out a liberal is responsible they are saying "Wait can someone explain to me how....?????"


Trump was and is responsible for at least tens of thousands of deaths from COVID. His action and inaction on the issue makes that obvious. I'm perfectly willing to explain further if you want.

I don't uncritically accept talking points that get floated as gospel on the right-wing or left-wing. Not sure why someone asking for an explanation is confusing to you.
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