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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 3 2021 07:43pm)
I'm happy to wait. Get back to me, Matt. :)


Will have access to a pc on the 11th ^_^
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 3 Feb 2021 01:43)
- never said it was "ok" it's still a crime, but not terrorism, especially considering the entity it is ( i would not call this a church at all)
- i see nowhere the result of investigation saying it was "lgbt" (it's already totally ridiculous to amalgaming them as one solid groupe)
- "there's no question" is not really love for free speech
- “In no way can we say anyone related to the demonstrations is involved or responsible for this crime,” Chief Reynoso said. “We don’t know the motive at this point.”
- These people are not even christians ! They did death prayer, read the end of article...

You better to reconsider your positions.


The only issue with this church is political in nature, correct? Let's assume that it was NOT the "LGBT Community" for a moment. I'll give you that. It's clear you folks all know who this church is and what you think they represent. And it's political in nature why you dislike them. Correct?

So, a bomb was set off. This is an act that is designed to terrorize the congregation, so they will disperse. Thus, the political goal of making them go away is achieved. AKA, terrorism. It's a terrorist attack. And bombs are 100% illegal so... Illegal, explosives, lucky nobody was there. Sweet!

I'm not pretending this is the end of the world. My claim has been that glorifying a terrorist act is not okay in any form. If you're glorifying it, you're a terrorist supporter. That's bad.

Regarding your assertion that these people aren't Christians, I need more information. You're the first to assert anything along those lines. Sounds to me like if the basics of what has been claimed are even partially true, not only are they Christian, they'd likely be fundamentalists. And that's the ONLY reason they'd be considered "dangerous" enough to attack them.

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For you, I'll wait. :hug:

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This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 3 2021 03:49am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 3 Feb 2021 05:29)
I don't really care what's legal in this case.

I believe violence is permissible when used against people or groups that advocate for violence or death of others based on attributes beyond their control.

It's that simple.
Quote (Handcuffs @ 3 Feb 2021 05:25)
It's pre-emptive. They wish to expand a message of violence that will likely become enacted upon once they have the necessary means and force. Doesn't seem to make sense to allow people to collect the power needed to kill you just because they haven't killed you yet.


Quote (InsaneBobb @ 3 Feb 2021 05:31)
Bombing buildings is never "self-defense". Bombs and their use are 100% illegal for civilian use. You're simply excusing terrorism.


It's really remarkable when two of the usually smarter posters on PaRD get bamboozled in an argument by Bobb, and with ease. Like... seriously, thor, handcuffs, what the fuck is wrong with you? Screw the rule of law, screw free speech, let's just apply violence and even terrorism against "thoughtcrime" - that's your position on the issue? :wallbash:



Violence, bombings or terrorism are only ethically justifiable means of self-defense if several criteria are met:

1.: the "hate group" is in enough of a position of power that it poses a significant threat to the well-being of others.
2.: law enforcement or anti-terror agencies have been given a chance to deal with the threat, and failed.
3.: peaceful forms of protest and ostracism have been tried and failed.
4.: due diligence was applied to make sure that only the true extremists are targetted by your preemptive action.



Now, nobody was hurt in the case right here, and these hateful religious fuckers deserved a punch in the face anway, so I dont want to blow this incident out of proportion. However, the mindset you two have shown in your defense of a literal fucking bomb attack against a civilian target is quite frankly shocking.


To put it with the words IceMage was using analogously a couple of days ago in a different context:
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But it's hard not to look at you as part of the story of the radicalization of the right left these past years. [...] it's pretty much all of you.


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It's really remarkable when two of the usually smarter posters on PaRD get bamboozled in an argument by Bobb, and with ease.


I suddenly feel embarrassed, and I don't know why.

Thanks, I think? :wub:
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ 3 Feb 2021 10:49)
The only issue with this church is political in nature, correct? Let's assume that it was NOT the "LGBT Community" for a moment. I'll give you that. It's clear you folks all know who this church is and what you think they represent. And it's political in nature why you dislike them. Correct?

So, a bomb was set off. This is an act that is designed to terrorize the congregation, so they will disperse. Thus, the political goal of making them go away is achieved. AKA, terrorism. It's a terrorist attack. And bombs are 100% illegal so... Illegal, explosives, lucky nobody was there. Sweet!

I'm not pretending this is the end of the world. My claim has been that glorifying a terrorist act is not okay in any form. If you're glorifying it, you're a terrorist supporter. That's bad.

Regarding your assertion that these people aren't Christians, I need more information. You're the first to assert anything along those lines. Sounds to me like if the basics of what has been claimed are even partially true, not only are they Christian, they'd likely be fundamentalists. And that's the ONLY reason they'd be considered "dangerous" enough to attack them.



The way you are trying to distord reality gos beyond my available time, and you are trolling nobody. We are all losing time with your non-sense.
If you need "more information" i wish you read the end of the article, i don't remember Jesus asking for death of people.

So terrorism target large groups of people but here it's only nazis disguised in pastors. Conclusion: it's not terrorism. And if you dont like gays or blacks: it's just gangs war LOL.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 3 Feb 2021 02:30)
The way you are trying to distord reality gos beyond my available time, and you are trolling nobody. We are all losing time with your non-sense.
If you need "more information" i wish you read the end of the article, i don't remember Jesus asking for death of people.

So terrorism target large groups of people but here it's only nazis disguised in pastors. Conclusion: it's not terrorism. And if you dont like gays or blacks: it's just gangs war LOL.


The French are second only to the Spaniards in fundamental Christian Terrorism. You should understand the reality of what's possible better than most.

I find your excuses tiring.
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Feb 3 2021 06:35am
why do some of our smooth-brained right wing bigots just call this LGBTQ terrorism? there is no proof whatsoever a member of that community planted the device, and the church was openly hateful of not only LGBTQ people, but jews and BLM as well - not that (failed) bombings aren't mostly a right wing thing to begin with, and this could easily be false flag as well, we simply don't know at this point...

it's amazing how easily right wingers are convinced of things that fit their narrative without any proof, while rejecting other things that don't fit their narrative, even if there is overwhelming evidence to support it. it really is a mental illness...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 3 2021 06:41am
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nothing says dont kill me people like i kill your people
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Quote (fender @ 3 Feb 2021 04:35)
why do some of our smooth-brained right wing bigots just call this LGBTQ terrorism? there is no proof whatsoever a member of that community planted the device, and the church was openly hateful of not only LGBTQ people, but jews and BLM as well - not that (failed) bombings aren't mostly a right wing thing to begin with, and this could easily be false flag as well, we simply don't know at this point...

it's amazing how easily right wingers are convinced of things that fit their narrative without any proof, while rejecting other things that don't fit their narrative, even if there is overwhelming evidence to support it. it really is a mental illness...


So... The church was guilty of bombing people?
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So... The church was guilty of bombing people?


i don't even... what?!
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