huh
is the vote to prevent them holding office only held in case of removal?
or are they independent votes?

It's a continuation of the initial 2/3 vote to convict. If the 2/3 majority passes and the Senate convicts, then they can choose to do the 51% vote to disqualify someone from holding future office or not. It has rarely been used though historically.

Edit: To clarify: Although they are 'independent' (re: separate) votes the bolded is correct, the 51% vote requires that 2/3 vote to pass first. So, they can impeach without future disqualification, but they can't disqualify without first impeaching.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jan 11 2021 04:03pm

If he can push us towards unity in a somewhat reasonable way Id forgive him for his other issues.

he wasn't worth much for a high ranking bureaucrat its only after his presidency he acquired all that dough, with all the under the table favours no doubt

https://www.thelist.com/190288/how-much-barack-and-michelle-obama-were-worth-before-the-presidency/

This post was edited by addone on Jan 11 2021 05:07pm

Under the 14th amendment it only takes a simple majority to bar somebody who gave aid and comfort to sedition to be bared from elected office

person who wont go away from politics after 3+ decades threatens to ban one-term politician from politics forever

Its just a dogs club they all like a pack of wolves down there career politicians will do just about anything to remain in power, its a dirty breed of human that will compromise.

to the 'unity and healing' crowd:







then again, it's biden - he's weak (and conservative) by nature, and the democratic establishment is weak and pathetic by design. i fully expect them to compromise and reach out to the people who stole supreme court seats, who outright refused to even consider legislation in the senate, who supported an authoritarian leader, didn't hold him accountable for proven crimes, and helped instigate a violent coup against the country they claim to love so much...

Yep.

From the article you provided.

"According to CNN Money, the Obamas had a $1.3 million fortune upon entering the White House."

1.3 million dollars is dirt poor?
How much are you raking in, chief?