so which "downballot republican" that did not enable and support trump and trumpism should he have voted for then? apparently you know what his options were and how a true conservative would have voted in his place. nah, just kidding - it sounds like you just created an imaginary scenario in order to call someone a fake conservative because they didn't support your cult leader.

also, why did you dodge my first question? which democratic policy proposal / goal, that is not a q anon conspiracy or OAN fearmongering, but a realistic option under biden, is a "threat to the nation and its future" in your opinion? you always make such grand claims without backing them up with any substance. raise your standards somewhat, if you want to be more than a propagandist.

Guys like you are the problem, how can you have a society when there are a bunch of clowns insisting that the other side is the devil..
Nothing will ever get done in a society so split and partisan that it cant see the good in the other side, america is on the downhill run and it is people like you who are taking it there.
America did not become a superpower under hundreds of years of republican leadership, it was a partisan effort the entire time, both parties are corrupt, both parties support the oligarchy and both parties do not care about the average person.
You are so caught up blaming the other side you fail to realise the people behind both parties are the same people, when is the last time real change happened in america after an election?

To make it Short your country switched its parties slowly in time.

"Lincoln was a Republican, which, at the time, was a socially liberal party. In those days, the Democrats were a conservative, traditionalist party on social issues."

What a mess lol

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jan 7 2021 12:05am

well said my friend.

Yes its people like me running the show and making everything bad.

Accurately criticizing the democrats and identifying their agenda is not what is wrong here.

I am not some hyperpartisan. I am fully aware both parties are largely trash with a few exceptions. I reject statism and state aggression regardless of which party is leading it. Its clear the democrats have shifted left+authoritarian and oppose core american and libertarian values more than the republicans. That is not to say the republicans are great or faultless.

I raised legitimate questions to ciroc using his own criteria for what he claims to stand for. If he actually cares about protecting america and being a 'real republican' he shouldn't be actively supporting the democrats controlling congress and the presidency and claiming its no big deal.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jan 7 2021 12:08am

When is the last time real change happened in america after an election?
Biden, harris is about as right of a pick as you could have got, what will they do that obama didn't?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 7 2021 12:08am

so your idea is America should be under Republicans ALL THE TIME. Democrats should just disappear. Let's make this country under 1 party? Democrats won, get over it.

Thats not what im saying at all.

A strawman and 'get over it' isn't an argument and doesn't address what I have said. its a childish remark to evade the points.

I believe Americans should be as free as possible.
I also believe that big government democrats controlling both chambers of congress and the presidency while shouting that they are going to radically change America for the worse is dangerous and unsatisfactory and should not be supported.

YOU have supported one party rule. The opposite party of the one you claim to be a true representative of.. I am pointing out the problems with that and you seem unwilling to cope with that.

Threats to the values, prosperity and safety of the country if radical ideas from within the Democratic party get enacted:

- creeping socialism in every facet of life and society
- mass pauperization as a result of hyperinflation caused by overreliance on Modern Monetary Theory
- declining safety as a result of defunding the police or tying law enforcement's hands when it comes to certain crimes like looting or burglary
- losing the "second cold war" by cozying up to China instead of reining them in
- a de facto end of 2nd amendment rights - Beto "hell yes we're gonna take your AR-15" O'Rourke was considered for the role of Biden's "gun reform Czar" after all
- completely opening the floodgates for unrestricted third world immigration
- an erosion of free speech as the government ignores or even endorses censorship by private entities like facebook/google/twitter, for example under the pretense of combatting "hate speech"
- a climate agenda which ends up being too radical and ill-considered, such that energy safety is endangered and the working-class is destroyed by rising prices for everything
- court packing
- "legally stealing democracy" via shenanigans like DC and Puerto Rico statehood, amnesty and citizenship for 20m+ illegals, etc.


All of these points are exceedingly unlikely to become reality with a 50+1/50 Senate and a 222-211 House, and a guy like Biden would not go for this stuff with 53 Senators and 233 House seats either. But if Democrats had gotten really large majorities in Congress, say 58 Senators and 250+ House seats, then moderate members of Congress would have become irrelevant and pressure from the left would have grown on both Biden and Congress to pass some of the stuff from my list.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 7 2021 12:17am

There's a reason why Democrats won everything and TRump LOST everything. And it s not because of people like me.
You need to take a look at yourself in the mirror. You and all of the Trump supporters. You guys brought this upon yourselves.