Yea people don't realise that they wouldn't be allowed to complain without negative consequences on their life. So many people are fleeing or wanting to get away from communist blocs and here we have a western lefties put it on a pedastal

indeed lol


you can’t really complain period, it’s dishonorable

Mate , did you see how stupid people are in 2020. For China it's ezpz. Trump was the only one opposing them. Canada PM is corrupt to the bone. Biden will be corrupt to the bone. Just look at the amount of non Chinese people being happy to use TikTok without knowing they make Chinese even stronger by giving ads $ to China versus America with Youtube. Why you think TikTok offer good $ to American youth? To pull in American $ through donos, sponsors, ads $.

That's only Tiktok vs youtube. There's so many ways people are way too clueless bout that affect their country one day at a time little by little.

Now with people pushing Trump out. Enjoy the show.

It's only the beginning.

As a Canadian, Trump felt like hope. he was a Trash president, but on those things, he didn't bend over like all other President/Pm does.

Good thing i'm learning Mandarin. Will be useful.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Dec 9 2020 03:12pm

I don’t disagree that trumps anti China stance was needed, one facet that I liked about him

I do feel strongly he did it in the wrong fashion and unfortunately method matters. He was simultaneously imposing tariffs on Mexico , France, germany AND China. He needed to get the western world on the same page and his fk all approach didn’t accomplish much, even if his heart was in the right place

I don’t think it matters who the leader is anymore. One of the best arguments I heard was utilizing India and stoking that rivalry, however India will ally in a second with China if it means pak destruction. If pak and India formed some sort of alliance that would be huge and promising but I don’t think that’s realistic. As a brown myself who has followed indopak politics for awhile, I wouldn’t count on India or pak to get the job done to deal with the China dilemma

This post was edited by Bazi on Dec 9 2020 03:31pm

I was listening to a talk by the financer minister of Greece after the 2008 collapse. He said he met with Obama and Obama was telling him how little power the president has, and it's all with Goldman Sachs now.

I tend to agree that it doesn't matter who's in charge of the government right now because the government isn't as in charge anymore.

Big corp has the power. Man if only we signed up for ism xD

nothing collapsed other than the simple greed of the user

I think the hardening of public opinion on China was always coming, but that Trump accelerated this "awakening" by some crucial years. I also think that he did the right thing when he prevented the sale of Qualcomm to a Chinese buyer on national security grounds and so on. His efforts on the alliance forging front were subpar and his tariffs were far too short-sighted and half-assed.


Regarding India: China is increasingly ramping up its military aggression against India, violating their borders, threatening to cut off their water supply, etc. I dont think that the rivalry between India and China needs to be stoked all that much by the West, it's gonna increase automatically over the coming decades. The water issue also applies to Pakistan.

To elaborate on this point a bit: half the world population depends on water from rivers whose source lies on the Tibetian plateau. That's the deeper reason why the Chinese, for decades, tried to seize as much of this region as they could, why they invested absurd sums to build modern roads and rails to Tibet, why they tried to settle as many Han Chinese in Tibet as they could. As long as the Chinese control the sources of the Indus, Ganges, Bhramaputra, Irrawaddy and Mekong rivers - and are able to defend them militarily - they have huge leverage over their South and Sout East Asian neighbors.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 9 2020 07:23pm

It’s got to be a world effort, whether that’s public or not. Ideally secret world effort but has to be a unified western approach. Trump tariffs on xyz were a headache and much of the time lacked rhyme /reason.