or maybe people with over a 80 iq could start a movement to lean on corporations to divest in china, rather than adding an extra step via the govt and tarrifs.

look at issues like trans fats, consumer pressure led to action. even if it's not eliminated, we're talking about incremental progress. the same can be done.

but you're still saying it was symbolic and a signal to the world. and i laugh at your idea that now because of trump people take china seriously. give me a break dude, the needle has barely moved. AND he is so polarized he's causing many people to reflex towards pro-china with their anti trumpism. thats just a weak fucking idea.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 8 2020 09:26am

Depends what that means really. We are already formed and are strengthening our military alliances with their neighbors and that's the right thing to do.

In 2020, economic pressure is the way to go. That's what we did with Iran, Russia, etc. Going the economic route is way more effective. Going at it militarily is just fuel for those despots to point to and the average pleb buys it.

It means having security alliances with China's neighbors, and a military presence in those countries, as well as on the seas.

I'm just wondering if you support our policy on that front, because obviously you tend to lean against the hegemonic stance of the US.

I've pointed and provided many examples of how companies are considering their supply routes and have started thinking about moving their factories outside of China. That's incremental progress, and doesn't happen within a few months or even years. The threat of paying higher taxes in their biggest market is a pretty good motivator.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/07/new-data-shows-us-companies-are-definitely-leaving-china/#445ac08740fe

China was being taken seriously for awhile now, we formally announced it under Obama with the pivot to Asia. Trump is continuing that doctrine by economic means.

And lol, being pro-China just because you hate Trump is probably the most blatant display of TDS ever. It's the same level of illiteracy as saying that Trump is worse than Hitler. Anyone that has this opinion in the US is an idiot.



I'm anti intervention but there are exceptions. China today is the equivalent of the USSR in some ways. You can't go the military route because of MAD but you also can't hide away pretending it will go away.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 8 2020 09:39am

no argument with the bold, but you brought up sentiments with china. that applies to both the masses, many of which are idiots, and world leaders, many of which get a bump from said idiots by opposing trump if they're from liberal areas.

trump is so polarized, as is america generally, that doing good things always causes blowback. trump's release of prisoners still gets "yeah but....." responses and its so unarguably good of a thing its apolitical.