Name three Republican cities this has happened to in 2020.

How did it work out in minneapolis?

Portland is filled with radicals who only respond to one thing, the stick. You don't suppress a violent mob of fanatics by promising them milquetoast reforms and deliberate process- they'll lay siege to Ted Wheeler's condo for not being as extreme as they are
They've had 95 days straight of riots, with only one exception when they flew out to riot in DC and attack Rand Paul, who drafted the Breonna Taylor Act.
Frey and Walz quickly learned their lessons, they tried to appease and pander for days as the cities burned down and people died. When the rioters flared up again a week ago, they instantly responded with the national guard, no fucking around.

I say learn from the example of Pierre Trudeau, not Justin Trudeau.



This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 30 2020 12:20pm

Biden is not losing support because Fox News watchers are turning against him. He's losing support because swing demographics associate street violence and anarchy with the Democratic party, and they see Biden as largely silent on the issue. The polling on this issue has been overwhelmingly negative for Biden, hence why his campaign is scrambling to do an about face.



What we know is that Democratic officials responded to the riots with a combination of vocal support and then passivity in the face of escalating violence. The results speak for themselves.

I'm 60%+ sure that Biden's next scripted campaign event will try to draw a line by denouncing antifa while praising BLM, to try to distinguish them. It will be running damage control
the other 40% is my worry that Democrats are too incompetent to seize an opportunity and know only how to fuck up

So are the police that have been brutalizing peaceful protesters and journalists controlled by the mayor or not?

Because from some conservatives I hear "the police are controlled by Democrat cities! Democrats are therefore the racists!" and then they turn around and say "The mayors have been totally passive and let people run amok!"

So which is it? Are the police the responsibility of the Democratic mayor, or are they independent allowing the mayor to be passive? Seems like conservatives are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

These guys pretend that a president's rhetoric is immaterial, but only when it inconveniences them. When Trump speaks out against European nations, it's fruitful to hold them to account. When he embraces the Confederacy and hems and haws over white supremacists, it doesn't matter. When he shits on black athletes kneeling, it's both fruitful, and not a reason for other colored people to view him critically.



Do the Democrats engineer these incidents to happen in Democratic cities? False flags perhaps?

Poor black people live in cities with Democratic officials. They protest when injustices happen. The groups in general align more with Democrats, for obvious enough reasons. Yes, Democrats view black people getting unjustly killed by police as bad, and worth addressing. This doesn't seem to be a reason to think electing Republicans would somehow alleviate these concerns.



I'm still waiting for more polling. It may be true that people associate these riots with Democrats, and therefore hold them against Biden. That makes no sense on it's face, but politics isn't about logic or critical thinking, it's about whatever bullshit narrative wins the day. There's a reason Biden feels the need to address this issue again.

You can always nutpick people of a certain ideology who justify or embrace rioting and looting. Biden's messaging has been to condemn violence and looting, while not downplaying the fact that America needs real change on racial justice and police abuse issues.

Biden has succeeded by not being reactionary. Maybe it'll cost him if these riots continue for weeks, but I respect his approach thus far.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 30 2020 12:34pm

So, the only way to deescalate in your opinion is for the president to go to the protesters and figuratively (or perhaps even literally) bend the knee in front of them?! Go there and kiss the asses of black leaders, like in that one South Park episode?



And you think that would appease, rather than embolden, those protesters? I beg to differ.



None of this is a suitable explanation, or an acceptable excuse, for looting and arson.

I'm not making an excuse for anything. I'm explaining the alignment. When one side actively courts the racist and anti-semitic vote in the south, it's not surprising that their closest aligned political party would be the one who just isn't doing that. It's not that this has overwhelming support from Democrats, and if your bar is low enough to say it does I can point to a lot of violence that has "overwhelming support from Republicans", it's that the only party that they could possibly be aligned with is the one that isn't actively trying to undo progress towards fixing these problems.

That's missing the point. The point was that Trump is the incumbent president, and that he therefore bears responsibility for everything that happens in the country, including violence and unrest. I pointed out that Trump should not be blamed for things occuring in places where all the power lies with Democrats and the local population leans overwhelmingly Democratic.

I get why blacks and antifa hate Trump, and that's fine. Just like peaceful protests on the streets are perfectly fine by me. I'm just of the opinion that police violence, as horrible as it is, does not justify counterviolence, or looting, arson, etc. - and that Trump is not to blame for this kind of overreach by "the other side".

A town controlled by democrats- the most infamously liberal in america- in a state controlled by democrats, with all local policing beholden to them.
And a democrat assassinated a republican, then a large group of democrats formed a literal lynch mob and chased down survivors and tried to break into a gas station when the owner sheltered them from the mob
"Its Trump's fault"