Biden will do what Democrats always do. Toss some token lip service to the left and maintain corporate power. The right will freak out like the world is ending and take power away after 4 to 8 years and ultimately maintain the status quo

Sadly that is probably what will happen.

When Trump was just a manifestation of the Godless materialist elite, sure, they were happy to have him. But then he stoked the racist birther conspiracy theory and went on to reveal his true viewpoints. Not surprising popular culture would drop him.

Sure... just keep repeating the same thing over and over without any argument. Lol. If a progressive voting record and progressive stances doesn't make you a progressive, I don't know what does. Do you have some mystical method of determining who is and who is not a progressive?

So you're basically admitting that you're using neocon to describe anyone who disagrees with your fringe foreign policy viewpoints? Thanks for clarifying.

Schrodinger's liberal

Biden wrote the crime bill and isn't tough enough on crime. He'll imprison all the blacks and move them into your suburban neighborhoods.

Obama will destroy capitalism while mandating we all buy private insurance.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 18 2020 03:52pm

Her record is all of her public office time, which includes being a San Fran DA for 20 years, not just going back two years. At best she could be described as an opportunist who stuck her finger in the political air and shifted stances a few years ago to get into office.

The mystical method i use just paying attention to reality and not trying to contort it. Two liberal writers from your favorite paper acknowledge what i'm talking about. She's not a progressive and never was and that's why they say she was at the bottom of the list. Like there's about a million of such articles written acknowledging this, i'm really not sure why you're arguing this.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-popularity.html

A moderate is not a progressive, stop trying to obfuscate reality.

Criminal justice is just one area... even assuming the argument that she's not progressive in that area is true, it's not sufficient evidence to say she can't be considered a progressive broadly.

"Some activists don't like Harris and think she's too moderate" is also not sufficient evidence that she's not a progressive. You'll find plenty of articles in right-wing swamp land about how "politician X" isn't a True Conservative, but what matters is a person's record and their professed stances.

AOC endorsed Bernie for President at Biden/Harris convention

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/aoc-bernie-sanders-nomination-speech.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/ncna1237094

Ocasio-Cortez Endorses Bernie Sanders’s Nomination for President: Full Speech Transcript

Ahead of the roll call, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez nominated fellow democratic socialist Senator Bernie Sanders for the presidency.

This post was edited by excellence on Aug 18 2020 08:35pm

Schrödinger's Kamala: she's at the same time a far-left radical and a status-quo moderate.

When she was elected to the Senate in 2016, it was already fairly obvious that she wanted to run for president, and in hindsight, this was ofc confirmed. Therefore, her voting record in the Senate from 2017-2020 should be viewed at as her positioning herself for the presidential run rather than her voting according to her true beliefs. Truth be told, nobody knows what her true beliefs are. Probably not even herself. What she is above everything else, imho, is a power-hungry, spineless opportunist. Anyway, in the end, she positioned herself as a woke-but-corporate-friendly candidate. Her flip-flopping on medicare for all was probably just campaign pandering and shouldnt be overrated.

To pin down the ideology of candidate Kamala Harris, I would say she is far-left or 'woke' on social issues, but "moderate" (aka preserving the neoliberal, corporate-serving status quo) on economic issues. She would be willing to go along with any kind of "lefty" policy as long as corporate America at-large is ok with it, say a watered down version of the GND where copious amounts of taxpayer money are funneled into a planned economy of sorts, or a medicare for everyone who wants it version of healthcare. In particular, she will always be staunchly in favor of globalization, free trade and wide open borders.

Like I said before in other threads, Harris imho is the worst of both worlds. She is far-left on the issues where I would like to see the country move to the right, and she's "moderate/right-wing" on economic policy in the sense that she's a corporate-friendly neoliberal globalist - while I would like to see more nationalist and worker-friendly policies on these issues.



The tldr imho is that Harris is the candidate representing "woke capitalism", which totally sucks ass.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 18 2020 08:42pm

Imagine being a politician who values principles over partisan, party politics.