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Jul 24 2020 06:40pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 24 2020 05:39pm)
$250 million is what the suit was asking, it was settled for less
we don't know the actual amount they settled for
we do know he got a multimillion settlement from CNN in january

its a pretty safe assumption that any payout was big enough to cover attorney fees + be substantial enough to agree to
so yeah, he's making bank. Just not that much


I'm sure the same applies for those farmers who sued Monsanto for 3 billion or whatever


it always reminds me of the simpsons episode where the bum sues itchy and scratchy for 500 billion dollars

"The court awards you this money, which will probably come down a bit on appeal"
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Jul 24 2020 06:49pm
Okay, so the lawsuit talks about several main articles from The Washington Post that are central to the lawsuit. I found them where I could, but they are not archived, original prints, as they've been since-updated and include editor notes that were added in March 2019.

Exhibit D: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/

Exhibit E: The lawsuit doesn't say which article is being talked about in reference to Exhibit E.

Exhibit F: This article was published in print, and I wasn't able to find a transcription online.

Exhibit G: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/20/opposed-dignity-human-person-kentucky-catholic-diocese-condemns-teens-who-taunted-vet-march-life/

Exhibit H: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/20/most-young-white-men-are-much-more-open-diversity-than-older-generations/

Exhibit I: Also published in print. Can't find a transcription.

Exhibit J: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/picture-of-the-conflict-on-the-mall-comes-into-clearer-focus/2019/01/20/c078f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

Exhibit K: Three separate tweets from The Washington Post, in which they posted the first article from Exhibit D, but with the following captions:

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(a) “In an interview with The Post, Omaha Tribe elder Nathan Phillips says he ‘felt like the spirit was talking through me’ as teens jeered and mocked him.”

(b) “He was singing the American Indian Movement song of unity that serves as a ceremony to send the spirits home. ‘It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial.’”

(c) “Phillips, who fought in the Vietnam War, says in an interview ‘I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.’”




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Jul 24 2020 06:53pm
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I really don't think that's whats going on here. We see that in places like Xinjiang, where extremists (who are severely repressed) launch mass knife attacks against police officers and other representatives of the Han Chinese presence in the region. I'm not saying that's the right response, because I don't (it has a sub-zero chance of success), but at least it's understandably directed against the supposed perpetrators of mass oppression. But not only are the police fundamentally not to blame in the United States, but the violence isn't even directed at the police. It's an excuse to slip any semblance of civility and rob your neighbor blind. What's worse is that privileged whites are engaging in the same sort of behavior, inevitably causing damage to minority communities and setting them back decades. But it's fine, because they'll go home to their suburbs and be non the worse for wear.


I disagree that the police are fundamentally not to blame. They have the "just following orders" excuse, but since when is that acceptable? The police violence of today is in direct continuity of the violence against civil rights protesters, and so is the rhetoric defending it. We haven't had a significant period where the police weren't used to brutalize minority communities to create a disconnect. Right after civil rights happened federal drug laws were created and sentences were specifically created to be worse for substances more likely to be used to groups the administration didn't like, and again the police were the ones carrying out arrests for things that the previous year was legal. In places where lynch mobs rose up and burned black neighborhoods the police were there with the white mobs. Anyway, my point is that I don't see some kind of disconnect between what's happening today and the violence of 100 years ago. The institutions and tactics are continuous even if the individuals aren't.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 24 2020 06:55pm
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jul 24 2020 05:49pm)
Okay, so the lawsuit talks about several main articles from The Washington Post that are central to the lawsuit. I found them where I could, but they are not archived, original prints, as they've been since-updated and include editor notes that were added in March 2019.

Exhibit D: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/

Exhibit E: The lawsuit doesn't say which article is being talked about in reference to Exhibit E.

Exhibit F: This article was published in print, and I wasn't able to find a transcription online.

Exhibit G: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/20/opposed-dignity-human-person-kentucky-catholic-diocese-condemns-teens-who-taunted-vet-march-life/

Exhibit H: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/20/most-young-white-men-are-much-more-open-diversity-than-older-generations/

Exhibit I: Also published in print. Can't find a transcription.

Exhibit J: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/picture-of-the-conflict-on-the-mall-comes-into-clearer-focus/2019/01/20/c078f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

Exhibit K: Three separate tweets from The Washington Post, in which they posted the first article from Exhibit D, but with the following captions:



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thanks for that. you did what i complained about being asked to do,

really informative post thx
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Jul 24 2020 06:55pm
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thanks for that. you did what i complained about being asked to do,

really informative post thx


Handcuffs is the best poster on the forum
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Jul 24 2020 07:17pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 24 Jul 2020 20:49)
Okay, so the lawsuit talks about several main articles from The Washington Post that are central to the lawsuit. I found them where I could, but they are not archived, original prints, as they've been since-updated and include editor notes that were added in March 2019.

Exhibit D: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/

Exhibit E: The lawsuit doesn't say which article is being talked about in reference to Exhibit E.

Exhibit F: This article was published in print, and I wasn't able to find a transcription online.

Exhibit G: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/20/opposed-dignity-human-person-kentucky-catholic-diocese-condemns-teens-who-taunted-vet-march-life/

Exhibit H: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/20/most-young-white-men-are-much-more-open-diversity-than-older-generations/

Exhibit I: Also published in print. Can't find a transcription.

Exhibit J: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/picture-of-the-conflict-on-the-mall-comes-into-clearer-focus/2019/01/20/c078f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

Exhibit K: Three separate tweets from The Washington Post, in which they posted the first article from Exhibit D, but with the following captions:



^Thor123422 ^IceMage


great post my friend.

clearly the case had enough merit since major tabloids are paying to make the teenager they harassed to stop seeking retribution for their malicious, voyeuristic crusade
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Jul 24 2020 07:50pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 24 2020 08:53pm)
I disagree that the police are fundamentally not to blame. They have the "just following orders" excuse, but since when is that acceptable? The police violence of today is in direct continuity of the violence against civil rights protesters, and so is the rhetoric defending it. We haven't had a significant period where the police weren't used to brutalize minority communities to create a disconnect. Right after civil rights happened federal drug laws were created and sentences were specifically created to be worse for substances more likely to be used to groups the administration didn't like, and again the police were the ones carrying out arrests for things that the previous year was legal. In places where lynch mobs rose up and burned black neighborhoods the police were there with the white mobs. Anyway, my point is that I don't see some kind of disconnect between what's happening today and the violence of 100 years ago. The institutions and tactics are continuous even if the individuals aren't.


"Just following orders" has never been an excuse. The police aren't to blame because they fundamentally aren't what is wrong with race relations in this country. They kill blacks at proportionate rates considering the rate of black violent crime. Why blacks represent a very high rate of violent crime is a separate matter. We'd be remiss if we tried to simplify this situation into either of two extremes. Black crime is not a function of genetic inferiority. Police officers are not sadistic demons bent on racial oppression.

The war on drugs was a mistake in hindsight, but we need to be careful when we're ascribing agency to a small group of people ("...the administration") for widely held societal beliefs. The war on drugs was popular, and the NAACP was part of that crusade. Black communities recognized the perverse social ill of drug addiction and demanded action, along with the American public at large. Legislators answered the call, solved a problem by creating others, and we're left cleaning up the mess today. Let's not compound that mistake by re-imagining the origins of government policy.

Blacks have not been specifically targeted for oppression in recent decades as ignored. They tend to be statistically poor, they aren't a swing demographic, and they're electorally concentrated in a way that deprives them of relevant political power. The Democratic party has their votes, and the Republican party is loathe to contest the issue. The single best thing we could do for inner city black communities is promote school choice and crack down on gang crime. But we aren't going to make progress there, the Democratic party is in the pockets of the teacher unions and the Republican party doesn't care.

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Jul 24 2020 07:51pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 24 2020 06:17pm)
great post my friend.

clearly the case had enough merit since major tabloids are paying to make the teenager they harassed to stop seeking retribution for their malicious, voyeuristic crusade



So you're saying settlements are an admission of guilt?
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Jul 24 2020 08:26pm
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So you're saying settlements are an admission of guilt?

nope. i am saying this specific case did. nice try though my friend!
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Jul 24 2020 09:23pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 24 2020 07:26pm)
nope. i am saying this specific case did. nice try though my friend!


:lol:

some of the people's logic around here, i swear.
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