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Jul 16 2020 10:11pm
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https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article244244777.html

A lawsuit filed on behalf of a 16 year old boy in Los Angeles claiming damages against two doctors and the city for forcibly administering estrogen to him without his or his parent's consent, resulting in enlarged breast tissue and other sexual development complications



After spending only 2 days detained in juvenile hall, the doctors declared his problems with authority were because of too much testosterone and had to be stifled by turning him into a woman against his and his families will.
ODD itself being a bullshit diagnosis added to the DSM-V by the very likes of the doctors involved in this story, being something that for 99.99999% of human history was simply acknowledged as having an asshole personality. But now the great doctors of California have determined that challenging authorities, being argumentative or defiant or aggressive or masculine, is a disorder that can only be cured by turning you into a tranny.


anyone who isn't disturbed by this story is trying to hide/protect something imo. doing experimental medical treatments on minors while in custody is very upsetting if true
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Jul 16 2020 10:54pm
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anyone who isn't disturbed by this story is trying to hide/protect something imo. doing experimental medical treatments on minors while in custody is very upsetting if true


If thr complaint is true then there was a lot of wrong here.

It's just dumb as hell to call it a gender transition
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Jul 16 2020 10:54pm
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If thr complaint is true then there was a lot of wrong here.

It's just dumb as hell to call it a gender transition


he grew woman titties (if true)

*shrug*
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Jul 16 2020 10:56pm
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he grew woman titties (if true)

*shrug*


And?

As Skinned said thats a side effect to a lot of medication.

The experimental treatment stuff isnt good. You have to have informed consent to experiment. Thats the real crux of the issue.
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Jul 16 2020 10:57pm
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And?

As Skinned said thats a side effect to a lot of medication.

The experimental treatment stuff isnt good. You have to have informed consent to experiment. Thats the real crux of the issue.


are those other medications also female sex hormones? :/
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Jul 16 2020 11:04pm
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are those other medications also female sex hormones? :/


You know men make estrogen as well right?
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Jul 16 2020 11:06pm
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You know men make estrogen as well right?


oh, it's not a female sex hormone then. duly noted good sir
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Jul 16 2020 11:07pm
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You know men make estrogen as well right?


You know that taking 2 mg of estrodial daily is the standard starting prescription for gender transitioning?
This isn't some random drug that just happens to cause moobs. This was female sex hormones applied for the purpose of altering a child's behavior to be more feminine, and with the effect of making him physically more feminine

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Jul 16 2020 11:19pm
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You know that taking 2 mg of estrodial daily is the standard starting prescription for gender transitioning?
This isn't some random drug that just happens to cause moobs. This was female sex hormones applied for the purpose of altering a child's behavior to be more feminine, and with the effect of making him physically more feminine


Only if you buy into some ridiculous archetyping of masculine being aggressive and feminine being docile.

They said it was part of an "experimental treatment", which would be fine except there was no informed consent for him or the family.

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oh, it's not a female sex hormone then. duly noted good sir


Good, now you're catching on. Go ask an endocrinologist if estrogen is the "female sex hormone" and they might agree because you're a layperson and it's not worth the time to go into the full explanation. Go read the endocrinology literature and you'll find "female sex hormone" as outdated terminology that doesn't fully capture the reality of the hormones effect on bodies.
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Jul 16 2020 11:26pm
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Only if you buy into some ridiculous archetyping of masculine being aggressive and feminine being docile.

They said it was part of an "experimental treatment", which would be fine except there was no informed consent for him or the family.


What a small step it is between doctor joseph mercola and doctor josef mengele. It would have been totally fine to force a gender transition therapy onto a child who has no gender dysphoria or transgender identity, as long as they could have gotten consent from him or his family. You know, the part of the hippocratic oath about 'do no harm' even applies to the willing. Someone should have reminded the doctors 'treating' noa pothoven

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Good, now you're catching on. Go ask an endocrinologist if estrogen is the "female sex hormone" and they might agree because you're a layperson and it's not worth the time to go into the full explanation. Go read the endocrinology literature and you'll find "female sex hormone" as outdated terminology that doesn't fully capture the reality of the hormones effect on bodies.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6370611/

Transwomen
Estrogens in combination with an anti-androgen are the standard first-choice gender-affirming hormone treatments for transwomen.

Estrogen
Estradiol is preferred, as it most closely resembles the hormone produced by the ovaries. It is prescribed in a similar way to hormone replacement therapy for postmenopausal women, but with slightly higher doses. The dose of estradiol valerate tablets starts at 2–4 mg daily, increasing up to 8 mg. Tablets can be given in divided doses if nausea occurs at higher doses.
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