d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > My Views Have Moved A Bit To The Left
Prev14567819Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 299
Joined: Dec 14 2019
Gold: 369.00
Jul 16 2020 08:57pm
no one cares?
Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Jul 16 2020 09:45pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 13 2020 07:55pm)

The middle road is Democratic-led governance. It's not a choice between Trump vs the author of White Fragility. It's Trump vs Biden. A president who intentionally stokes racial divisions vs. one who will try to unite the country.


That's not where the power is anymore. Biden is a declining old man, the future of the Democratic party is to the left. There are serious challenges facing this country, the people voting for Biden in the hope that things go back to normal are doing it in vain.

Trump's election exposed the correct path forward. A candidate can win on middle and working class rhetoric. Trump is incapable of taking us further, but the current two-party state must collapse for progress to be made.
Member
Posts: 54,184
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Jul 16 2020 10:09pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 17 Jul 2020 05:45)
That's not where the power is anymore. Biden is a declining old man, the future of the Democratic party is to the left. There are serious challenges facing this country, the people voting for Biden in the hope that things go back to normal are doing it in vain.

Trump's election exposed the correct path forward. A candidate can win on middle and working class rhetoric. Trump is incapable of taking us further, but the current two-party state must collapse for progress to be made.


Trump's 2016 platform is still the way to go, I just wish it were executed by someone more competent and efficient than him. He has great instincts on policy and intraparty power consolidation, but horrible instincts on politics and expanding power beyond his party.

In hindsight, he should have given the "Paul Ryan agenda" the boot immediately instead of going for the Obamacare repeal and then the tax cuts.
Member
Posts: 65,046
Joined: Jul 7 2008
Gold: Locked
Jul 18 2020 11:56am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2020 05:15pm)
rip :cry:

but seriously: do you agree or disagree with my guesstimate that the median white millenial will inherit in the six figures?


Your privilege is showing lmao. The median white family is renting.
Member
Posts: 54,184
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Jul 18 2020 12:13pm
Quote (Testiclese @ 18 Jul 2020 19:56)
Your privilege is showing lmao. The median white family is renting.


Source?

According to a quick research, there were about 75 million US households owning homes and 43 million households living for rent in 2016:


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/19/more-u-s-households-are-renting-than-at-any-point-in-50-years/

The same study says that blacks and hispanics are roughly twice as likely to be renting than whites. Thus, the median white family is not renting, it's living in its own home.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 18 2020 12:14pm
Member
Posts: 35,291
Joined: Aug 17 2004
Gold: 12,730.67
Jul 18 2020 12:31pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 16 2020 08:45pm)
That's not where the power is anymore. Biden is a declining old man, the future of the Democratic party is to the left. There are serious challenges facing this country, the people voting for Biden in the hope that things go back to normal are doing it in vain.

Trump's election exposed the correct path forward. A candidate can win on middle and working class rhetoric. Trump is incapable of taking us further, but the current two-party state must collapse for progress to be made.


I strongly disagree with this. The correct path forward is through Catholics and suburban women. Going all in on a declining demographic is outright foolish.

I agree that we have serious challenges facing the country but the GOP has absolutely no plan for it. Biden is someone who can put out the "fire" but I don't think he has any spectacular vision for the country. It ultimately doesn't matter though because Americans are largely reactive as opposed to proactive. WE are the problem and there's no fixing that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2020 09:09pm)
Trump's 2016 platform is still the way to go, I just wish it were executed by someone more competent and efficient than him. He has great instincts on policy and intraparty power consolidation, but horrible instincts on politics and expanding power beyond his party.

In hindsight, he should have given the "Paul Ryan agenda" the boot immediately instead of going for the Obamacare repeal and then the tax cuts.


His policy or his rhetoric? I'd say that his instincts on policy are pretty shit given that he flip flops all the time. Also, the it seems that the GOP won't change their party platform from 2016 so....what has changed?
Member
Posts: 65,046
Joined: Jul 7 2008
Gold: Locked
Jul 18 2020 12:34pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2020 11:13am)
Source?

According to a quick research, there were about 75 million US households owning homes and 43 million households living for rent in 2016:
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/FT_17.07.18_RentersSignificantgrowth_3.jpg

[URL=https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/19/more-u-s-households-are-renting-than-at-any-point-in-50-years/]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/19/more-u-s-households-are-renting-than-at-any-point-in-50-years/[/URL]

The same study says that blacks and hispanics are roughly twice as likely to be renting than whites. Thus, the median white family is not renting, it's living in its own home.


Must be my California bias showing.
Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Jul 18 2020 10:26pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jul 18 2020 02:31pm)
I strongly disagree with this. The correct path forward is through Catholics and suburban women. Going all in on a declining demographic is outright foolish.

I agree that we have serious challenges facing the country but the GOP has absolutely no plan for it. Biden is someone who can put out the "fire" but I don't think he has any spectacular vision for the country. It ultimately doesn't matter though because Americans are largely reactive as opposed to proactive. WE are the problem and there's no fixing that.


Which demographic group is larger, suburban women, or white? Torching support in a majority to increase support in a minority is fundamentally a losing proposition.

Hillary lost the white vote by historic margins; I don't see the long-term trend getting better. Trump was a candidate beset by flaws, he forced himself to the extreme right on immigration in order to get his foot in the door and was subsequently unable to backpedal. Even then, he bested Romney's share among Hispanics 29% to 27%. A nationalist platform skeptical of free-trade, pro-worker, and anti-crime is fundamentally the majoritarian position in an age where the Democratic party has aligned itself to Hollywood elites, race riots, and trillion dollar reparation plans. The black-only spaces in Seattle weren't meant for Hispanics, and they'll know it. A lesser importance on the interests of white surburbia is hard for white surburbans to accept, but it's the correct electoral strategy.

Neither the Democratic party or the GOP has any serious plans for the country at present. I think I'm past the point where I hope either will. This rendition of the two-party system is over with. It's time for an encore.
Member
Posts: 16,272
Joined: Dec 27 2019
Gold: 69.69
Jul 19 2020 12:05am
The thing with leftist view is they try to lead you into a perfect/ideal system of living while not addressing the inherent nature/current evolution of man.
Capitalism just embraces that.
Its not perfect but its the best expression of our current status quo. Maybe in some distant utopian future we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya but right now its a romantic theorycrafting
Member
Posts: 27,620
Joined: Dec 10 2008
Gold: 1,778.40
Jul 19 2020 03:43am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Jul 13 2020 04:06pm)
I pride myself on my individual, moderate, pragmatic views. I guess if I'm in a bucket, it'd be libertarian like a lot of white guys around 30 years old. Pro gay, pro abortion, pro liberty, don't f with my money but i'm not an idiot that doesnt understand that collectivism money can produce a positive social good.

The BLM movement caused me to think a bit. I've been quick to think, I really didnt come from anything with a firefighter dad and a retail store clerk minimum wage earning mom, so if I can do it so can everyone. I do still think that and I do still think increasing money on social welfare is a stupid idea because it's usually just a bailout for people who dont make good decisions. I don't believe in inequity in the workplace as most managers would kill to be able to hire more women/POC, etc., but often times there just isnt a huge talent pool and the best candidates just are white guys, especially in areas like tech. Even at the corporate executive level, companies often strive to add female and minority board members/executive leaders. However, I've come to really understand white privilege and there's a piece we don't really think about.

Inheritance and family money is seldom talked about and white people don't give it much thought. More of a class issue than a race issue, but they often go hand-in-hand. For most, if they lose their job they have a family member even if not a direct parent that could support them financially or let them live in a room in their house, etc. That isn't nearly as common in minority families. Also, why i feel class/race go hand-in-hand dates back to housing laws for many past decades. Levittown is an easy example. Those houses were sold for about $10k per, sometimes less, which would be maybe $100k or so in today's money. Those houses are about half a mil now, meaning they made 5x in investment equity value after adjusting for inflation. Those houses, as was the case for many other communities, weren't available to blacks. Outside of just the law, many areas refused to sell homes to blacks, pushing them to historic black areas. Surely most of us know the historic "black neighborhoods" that still exist today even in more wealthy cities. Those home values didnt rise at anywhere near the same rate.

This isn't broad brush and I get that, but the amount of inheritance money about to flow to millenials i believe is somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 trillion. Not a lot of that is going to minorities because of what happened in the past. So when my white friends say "hey i didnt do anything to you, don't blame me" I kinda get the anger/annoyance/attitude from minorities as we're going to benefit off of the racist actions of our grandparents' and great grandparents' era and minorities won't.

Anyways, I haven't posted here in a while and wanted to share this.



This is what happens after you watch Hamilton bro!
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev14567819Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll