None of that means they aren't oppressed.

In fact, the need to rise up usually means the opposite lol.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 5 2020 07:59pm

Its not pessimism. Its common sense. If I can make 100k a year, why would I live in your delusional shithole country?

I see no meaningful difference.

You know why they failed? They didn't kill enough cops.

This has long been a problem in leftist movements. People don't want to shoot to kill because they have this block in their brain that maybe MLK and Gandhi were right. They may get armed, but they lie to themselves and say "this is just as a deterrent." Inevitably, some dumbfuck with no trigger discipline will end up killing someone on their own side. The body counts will then be completely uneven.

The truth is that, if they truly want to succeed, they need to massacre the police. Period. Holding back only ensures the cops will eventually win. But they can't win if they're all dead. The Bundys know this. That's why they won.

The left needs to abandon nonviolence if they want to accomplish their stated goals. It's a bullshit philosophy. Our government/military doesn't use nonviolence. The police don't use nonviolence. They don't use it because they know it's bullshit. They blast "tolerant left" and "MLK" as loud as they can because they don't want a violent left. They know they'll die.

As a disclaimer, I am not advocating for leftists to massacre the cops. I am simply saying that they will never win until they do. That may be an admission that they will never win, or it may be an admission that victory is many lifetimes away. But I'm not calling for it. Hi FBI.

As another disclaimer, I also think it's the right wing that will eventually dismantle local policing in favor of using the military on the people. They don't give a single fuck about Constitutionality here. So it will eventually not even be necessary for the left to massacre cops. It will then simply be a matter of them filling up the ranks in the military.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jul 5 2020 08:36pm

If the proponents of the movement were higher quality individuals, I would agree with this. Self sufficient people have the capacity to hold up movements. The people in Seattle were a bunch of basement dwellers who couldn't even farm though.

I can't disagree with this. There certainly are no Emma Goldmans or Leo Tolstoys among them at this point in time. Perhaps we need another Lenin and Stalin to try again. I despise the right wing of the communists, but at least they'd be effective at destroying their enemies. Those multimillion body counts speak for themselves. There are only 700k cops. A tiny feat.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jul 5 2020 08:42pm

Not true. Trump talks about the bill of rights and especially about support for Law Enforcement all the time. lol. Did you watch his speech on July 3rd? Of course you didn't. He spoke about all of that there.

I mean you guys say all Trump supporters are cultists. So these cultists are obviously pro-constitution and pro-police. The right wing is all about the constitution. They've always been pro-police, law and order, pro 2A, and pro 1A.

If you're referring to the far right, that would be a pro-militia stance and anti-police. Or far right pro-authoritarian police state. I feel like that could go either way. However that definitely isn't the majority. Not even close. Look at the comments on Trump videos/tweets etc.

Most people want to sit at home and drink beer + watch football. Most would prefer to not have to do things for themselves but instead have the police do it.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 5 2020 09:16pm

They definitely haven't always been pro any amendment. Its the right that took away gun rights for black people, turned the police on peaceful protestors, and want America to be a Christian nation at the exclusion of all others.

Took away gun rights from black people? I don't recall that ever happening. Are you referring to Stop and Frisk by New Yorks Democratic mayor which Trump stated was a racist procedure used in disproportionate numbers to target black areas.

"Peaceful protestors" Yeah, the same peaceful protestors that have been wearing all black and throwing bottles/molotovs/bricks at police and businesses.

Trump is obviously Christian. But he supports all religions and races. He's never given any insight to proposing a Christian only America.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 5 2020 09:25pm

honestly, ink and thor have lost it. poor guys, already in their 30's and having mental problems