Quote (InsaneBobb @ 21 May 2020 00:46)

I would question that. If it's enough of an issue that they think they have to make a law regarding it, it probably is an issue.

Here in the US, affirmative consent is required by law. So patients of gender surgery must be age 18 at a minimum. Hormone replacement therapy, counseling, etc. are all good at pretty much any age with parental consent. Only the irreversible surgeries require the person be an adult. And 99% of the reason for that is related to the fact that the surgery literally castrates you (testicles removed for males, ovaries removed for females). So the person's ability to have children goes away, and never comes back.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 20 2020 05:47pm)

Do we have enough long-term studies about the impact of allowing or denying irreversible surgeries or hormone therapy to underage patients? Do we have a large enough scientific body of work with sufficient sample size and methodological rigor?

And more importantly: are we living in a social and political environment where such studies can be expected to have been conducted open-ended? If, say, a study found out that transgenderism in minors is abating after a couple of years in a majority of cases, would such a study really be published without being torn to shreds by trans activists and liberal media? I think, and yes, this is a subjective call, that transgender issues are a field where science has been "tainted" by politics.

These are very intrusive procedures with wide-ranging, often times irreversible effects. Therefore, performing them on underage kids who are far below the age of discretion and who dont have fully developed personalities yet is very dicey and shouldnt be taken lightly or compared with standard medical procedures.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 20 2020 03:50pm)

The intrusiveness and range of the potential effects are accounted for by professionals writing guidelines. It is not taken lightly I promise you.

I think there has been far more tainting by politics in the against rather than the for honestly. It's pretty hard to write a recommendation saying you should do something when your country is trying to ban the practice. You'd better make sure your reasoning is sound.

As for the scientific rigor, that's exactly why we have these organizations and experts in the field. They are the ones most suited to evaluate the literature and make recommendations, and the doctors doing the prescribing are under the wing of these organizations for the case by case basis. If the organization finds that the doctor is making poor recommendations they will have their license revoked.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 21 May 2020 00:50)

The intrusiveness and range of the potential effects are accounted for by professionals writing guidelines. It is not taken lightly I promise you.

I think there has been far more tainting by politics in the against rather than the for honestly. It's pretty hard to write a recommendation saying you should do something when your country is trying to ban the practice. You'd better make sure your reasoning is sound.

As for the scientific rigor, that's exactly why we have these organizations and experts in the field. They are the ones most suited to evaluate the literature and make recommendations, and the doctors doing the prescribing are under the wing of these organizations for the case by case basis. If the organization finds that the doctor is making poor recommendations they will have their license revoked.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 May 2020 00:57)

I just wonder how neutral these organizations really are, considering the huge amount of pro-trans activism in recent years.

Furthermore, this still doesnt answer the question if there are any finished studies about the long-term risks of allowing/denying surgery at a young age. How many who were denied the procedure then go for it as soon as they turn 18, how many of them sustain serious psychological trauma by not having been able to transition during or before puberty; how many who had the surgery below the age of 18 later regret it and sustain serious psychological trauma that way? There is long-term risk in both directions, and I'm not sure how much scientific literature there actually is to consult and draw recommendations from.

Quote (fender @ 21 May 2020 01:05)

tl;dr: "studies wrong, my feelings right - i reject the available information because it doesn't fit my narrative."

how refreshing.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 20 2020 05:57pm)

I just wonder how neutral these organizations really are, considering the huge amount of pro-trans activism in recent years.

Furthermore, this still doesnt answer the question if there are any finished studies about the long-term risks of allowing/denying surgery at a young age. How many who were denied the procedure then go for it as soon as they turn 18, how many of them sustain serious psychological trauma by not having been able to transition during or before puberty; how many who had the surgery below the age of 18 later regret it and sustain serious psychological trauma that way? There is long-term risk in both directions, and I'm not sure how much scientific literature there actually is to consult and draw recommendations from.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 20 2020 04:32pm)

Youre just JAQing off. Go do some research if you actually want answers. Your questions just for the sake of casting doubt are unproductive.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 20 2020 06:46pm)

Nonsense. They're valid questions that there are currently no answers to.

The question that I like bringing up the most is, "Why should gender reassignment be paid for by insurance, when it's all elective, does not promote greater health, and the studies DO show there is absolutely NO dropoff in suicide rates regardless of surgeries or hormone treatments?"

I'm sure I'll get the, "That's transphobic!" or "It's because they receive so much hatred!" comments. But I'd challenge both those statements as lazy and untrue.