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Feb 26 2020 08:43pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 26 2020 06:34pm)
But we also have many reported cases of children changing their mind about their gender identity after puberty.


There's a really famous sexuality doctor who believes that most trans people would just end up as "gay" if they didn't take puberty blockers. She was on Bill Maher last year.
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Feb 26 2020 08:44pm
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There's a really famous sexuality doctor who believes that most trans people would just end up as "gay" if they didn't take puberty blockers. She was on Bill Maher last year.

sounds like they’re both “TERFs”
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Feb 26 2020 08:47pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 26 2020 08:34pm)
But we also have many reported cases of children changing their mind about their gender identity after puberty.


Not to mention cohort studies showing questionable actual mortality and self-harm outcomes from any kind of transition therapy, and enough sokal experiments and academic scandals to show pretty much anything published in social sciences can be regarded as suspect.
Any credible, ethical doctor should have proof they're doing no harm before they undertake a destructive or risky procedure. But applying that to children who can't consent, in the face of contrary evidence, is simply malpractice.
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Feb 26 2020 08:48pm
i was at the park with my niece, she'd been dressed by her father and the other kids were calling her a boy. she got really sad and said "i'm not a boy" at which point i promptly reminded her that gender is a social construct and she shouldn't pay attention to fascist children in the playground.

will the patriarchy ever recover from this deathblow?
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Feb 26 2020 08:57pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 26 2020 06:43pm)
There's a really famous sexuality doctor who believes that most trans people would just end up as "gay" if they didn't take puberty blockers. She was on Bill Maher last year.


Desistance is a real thing, for sure. However, the literature on desistance is misleading because there's been poor methodology in these studies in terms of operational definitions that make murky the data to begin with. Critics of the desistance literature have noted that the children included in such studies didn't meet DSM criteria for gender dysphoria, but rather expressed a more broad, generalized gender non-conformity.
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Feb 26 2020 09:10pm
Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Feb 26 2020 06:28pm)
Straight up bullshit.

Nobody is forcing cis women to sleep with trans women. This is a fucking lie.

Also the majority of feminists the world over are trans inclusive. 3rd wave feminism is trans inclusive. TERFs are a buncha boomers led around by the nose by Christian evangelicals and consorting with actual fucking Nazis like Gariepy.

They're not left wing. Most aren't even feminists.


Goom's forced gay breeding stories crack me up.


Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 26 2020 09:18pm)
Is it really though?


Appearance is important, is it not?

Passable trans people just have better lives.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 26 2020 09:19pm
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Feb 26 2020 09:15pm
a lot o' acronyms bein' thrown aroun' in this thread
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Feb 26 2020 09:17pm
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Feb 26 2020 07:15pm)
a lot o' acronyms bein' thrown aroun' in this thread


WDYM?
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Goom's forced gay breeding stories crack me up.


Forced *straight breeding stories
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Feb 26 2020 09:18pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 27 Feb 2020 02:34)
But we also have many reported cases of children changing their mind about their gender identity after puberty.


Yea we do. Most children do in fact. Which is why we don't put most children on puberty blockers. Our diagnostic criteria are pretty decent. Of those who go on puberty blockers very few desist and almost none have regrets. Anti-trans people will cite the number of kids referred to a gender specialist when mentioning these numbers but the vast majority never go on to puberty blockers.

That's why simply supporting a child in exploring their gender identity is the best decision. When puberty hits puberty blockers can be an option if the child experiences distress around the changes it brings. But even they are fully reversible - just stop them and go through puberty slightly later. No adverse effects.
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