well, you can delude yourself into whatever you want to believe, but that doesn't make it so. you justify your appeasement approach by pointing out that it has been worse, historically. i am aware of that, but choose to look at it in a narrower time frame, lets say the last 5 years - because i think that's more relevant regarding the TREND that i identified as a problem. i wouldn't tell the victims of political violence that they are lucky they don't live in nazi germany, or black voters that trump tries to disenfranchise they should be happy they aren't slaves anymore. you might not be TECHNICALLY wrong doing it, but to me that is just downplaying the issue.

so my 'policy' is to politically oppose and call out those developments, to let people buying into those ideologies know that it's neither acceptable nor negligible - instead of shrugging it off just because it has been worse at some point in history, and because it's 'just human nature'.
"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing."

conservatism is a mental illness

so just a whole post of strawmans instead of action. and worse you continue trying to frame me as a racist who'd downplay the suffering of american blacks? i put in nearly a decade working in the black community helping them prosper in some of the toughest situations ive ever seen. but sure, have fun with your fantasies.

if you think you can fix radicalization by snarkily calling people out i disagree. if we use pard as a case study we can see that behavior, which you use every day, hasnt gained any traction at all. you havent convinced almost anyone of almost anything, and i doubt you're more successful IRL.

what changes can we make tho to directly impact reality? boost callout culture is your answer? lol. just a typical angry person, only able to identify problems but can't fix anything. you have no policy proposals, no social change ideas, nothing. congrats, you can now empathize with the american perspective, you're powerless to change the violent reality you live in. just be happy its a small fraction of the deaths we get.

to be honest im a bit disappointed, i expected you to at least put forth some proposals (albeit unrealistic proposals in either Germany or USA) for us to work through. in my wildest dreams i didnt expect you to suggest you'll just angrily yell at people and do nothing. what a hero.

talk about snarky, angry, and triggered...

you chose to marginalise recent developments by repeatedly insisting things have been worse in the past (which i didn't even contest at any point, but tried to explain to you several times, why i think it's not relevant and makes it look like you're downplaying the renaissance of right wing populism), and now you act like i'm putting words in your mouth?! sorry, buddy - i'm not. i'm just explaining to you how it looks, and honestly i was hoping you'd come up with a reasonable explanation for doing so - but the best you could do was the lazy 'i'm just providing context' line, even though i explained to you why i thought the specific context you chose was what made it problematic, not the act of providing context in general, as i did as well, just in a more narrow frame.
so taking you at your word, that you don't actually want to make excuses for racists, the only thing that makes sense here is that this is yet another case of trenchboy tripping over his ego: you chose a certain line or argument, and now you're too proud to even amend it, even though it's blatantly obvious that it's a pretty fucking dumb and misleading point, considering the stance you claim to have.

that said, even your arrogant, dismissive, and bad faith misrepresentation of politically opposing and exposing that kind of bigotry, would still be better than your own pathetic appeasement approach that you demonstrated here. even your mad distorted cartoon version of me is better that what you voluntarily displayed here. just let that sink in, buddy...

This post was edited by fender on Feb 20 2020 02:56pm

So this time it's muslims that died, what about all those times it were the muslims blowing themselves up or driving over as many innocent people with a truck as possible.

Now we see establishment and media doing their very best informing the public that "extreme right" is a big problem which is not the case. When do people finally realize that the forced multi cultural experiment is a disaster

just snarky, not mad. i started out polite, didnt even quote you just posted in your thread, and you went straight into trying to malign me as a racist and nationalism apologist/propagandist. i can only keep the snark in check so long while you continue to do this, but i think its still polite snark. unlike what you're doing, which is quite rude.

the part you're missing is that whether alt right ring radicalism is at an alarmingly all time high or a tepid bleh you have zero plans to combat it.

you're too focused on my disagreement on the level of a problem white nationalism is, when all im asking, repeatedly, is how do you fix it.

we're both looking at a blue sky, we're both in agreement that it should be yellow, and you're just standing there yelling "it's midnight blue, not neon blue. you bigot."


so, again, if you're interested in setting aside the severity of the "white nationalism problem" and interested in discussing solutions, regardless of the severity, im all ears. otherwise feel free to call me a big some more and imply im an apologist for american racism against blacks, or w/e floats your boat.



nothing forced about it, your country can leave the EU (brexit), u can move to the country, or u can leave the country altogether.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 20 2020 03:15pm

solid reasoning. i imagine if you got a food poisoning, you'd conclude that the whole concept of eating is a disaster, and solve it by starving yourself to death, correct?

No government forces it's people to live in a society where food poisoning a continuous concern. On the contrary, healthy food is promoted and bad food rooted out. Do you get the point?

Worked pretty hard on this this morning so -

- At least 11 dead in shootings at 2 shisha cafes in Hanau
- Shooter is (almost certainly) Tobias Rathjen, 43
- Found dead in his apt along with his mother
- committed /pol/ 4chan poster
- Likely had schizophrenia, spoke of hearing voices and people watching him
- Manifesto speaks of people who can't be deported needing to be exterminated. Still translating - more to come.
- Had his own website and YouTube channel, both of which are being suppressed now
- Made a video prior to the attack that I am unsure if I'm allowed to share here but in that video he addressed 'all Americans' in English telling them to wake up to the secret organisations running America and the secret underground military bases in which
people worship satan and abuse and murder children.
Standard narratives on /pol/ unfortunately.
- possible incel leanings (unconfirmed)

Google Translated Manifesto -
https://www.docdroid.net/HkACbGh/tobias-rathjen-english-and-german-manifesto.pdf

Manifesto in original German -
https://web.archive.org/web/20200220071859/http://www.tobias-rathjen.de/fileadmin/Custom/Skript__mit_Bilder_.pdf

Other materials from his website in German -
https://web.archive.org/web/20200220072130/http://www.tobias-rathjen.de/fileadmin/Custom/Anhang_1__DFB_.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20200220072201/http://www.tobias-rathjen.de/fileadmin/Custom/Anhang_2__Irak_-_Afghanistan_.pdf

Youtube video with message in English to 'The American People' -
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FWX9H1tmeUPA/

Long story short - dude seems to be a person with untreated paranoid delusions, possible hallucinations, who spent way too much time on /pol/. His beliefs are a mix of QAnon conspiracy shit and white nationalism. No known connections to Soldiers of Odin, Combat 18, the AfD or any other 'official' far-right or neonazi groups though it's impossible for him to have been that deep into pol shit without engaging with their propaganda.

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This was the info I released about 12 hours ago as I was doing the research this morning.



Ouch. Mean. I thought we were friends.

Also you'd have to be a fuckin idiot to think I'm pro gun-control.

This post was edited by MxVivianWulf on Feb 20 2020 04:23pm

you're wrong. i gave you every chance to overthink and change your stance, telling you how your repeated insistence on downplaying the current rise in right wing populism and violence, by pointing to times when it was worse, looked - but you just kept doubling down - and now you clutch your pearls over the only logical conclusion that leads to.

here's a more fitting version of your sky analogy: we're both looking at a brown sky, we both claim we want it to be blue, and while i'm saying "i hate this brown sky, people should know this is neither normal nor acceptable", you say "well, it's not THAT brown, is it? also, it has been much browner in the past. ackshually, it's the least brown it has ever been".

and again, i have no magic button to turn off racism. educating people surely helps. holding political parties and their representatives to a minimum standard of truth-telling, and aggressively fighting back against blatant propaganda and fear-mongering, protesting and opposing those people wherever they assemble to show them their ideas are objectionable and disgusting...
but i'm sure you have a pretty good idea that there aren't any foolproof ways to eliminate bigotry for good, that's why you keep insisting i present policy solutions, even though i told you from the very start there's no such thing. you know what might actually help? travel and international food court vouchers for afd voters and trump supporters, haha...

that being said, let me reiterate the point i made in my previous post: even the 'just angrily yelling at nazis and not actually doing anything substantial' caricature you conjured up, in order to mock my opposition to fascists and bigots, would STILL be better than just marginalising the problem by 'correctly' pointing out that the sky has been browner once...