Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 30 2020 04:52pm)

Second time you posted this notion of religion being somehow behind the right not caring for the earth and to be honest it's not consistent with reality.

Economics/money is the real reason not religion. I'm a christian and have been for a long time and literally never heard the argument in real life being used that because there's an afterlife we could essentially have a yolo lifestyle here and screw the earth which is pretty antithetical to core christian doctrine. I'm sure some people do have this view but most Christians i know view themselves as stewards, as it's talked about in the Bible of both money and the environment.



Yeah it's a possibility, i do think as people age out of their 20s and 30s they tend to get more conservative

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 29 Jan 2020 16:53)

Abandoning fossils right now in favor of renewables would cause all of us to become poorer, less mobile and to lose comfort.
I'm all for adding renewables into the mix where it is economically prudent and technologicaly feasible to do so. The true crux is that this wont be enough if the climate models are to be believed.
So, at the end of the day, we're talking about a movement/ideology which tries to sell "sacrifice for the greater good" and "inevitable radical change into an uncertain future" to people, and that's naturally not very attractive.

It seems very logical to me that such a movement/ideology is gaining more traction with the political left, which emphasizes postmaterial values like fairness, cooperation and internationalism. On top, climate change is very welcome as a door opener for a radical restructuring of the economic system, towards a (more) planned economy, which obviously appeals to leftists. Similarly, it seems very logical to me that the message of the climate change movement doesnt play well with the political right, which emphasizes wealth, growth, economic freedom and national sovereignty.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 30 2020 04:57pm)

I'm aware that most christians aren't aware of the etiology of their beliefs. Asking average Christian what happened at the council of Trent or the council of nice and they will you a blank stare.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 30 2020 05:02pm)

Asking average humans obscure historical events and getting blank stares is expected. If i ask the average college student, even graduate student if they believe science to be important and then subsequently ask about Descartes contribution to science then i'll also be met with blank stares.

So not really sure what your obsession with Christians is really, or do you just have higher standards for us?

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 30 2020 05:10pm)

The difference is people don't worship rene Descartes as a living God dumb ass.

If people truly believed that rene Des cartes gave them life a created the universe then they might know more about him.

I'm sure the God you worship really loves being compared to the man that codified the atheistic materialistic worldview.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 30 2020 05:16pm)

Neither do Christians worship the council of Trent.

How stupid can you be to equate Catholic church history to belief in God? Does not knowing a specific piece of church history invalidate my belief in a Biblical God?

Logic really isn't your strong suit is it.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 30 2020 05:16pm)

Neither do Christians worship the council of Trent.

How can you equate Catholic church history to belief in God? Does not knowing a specific piece of church history invalidate my belief in a Biblical God?

Quote (lll420lll @ Jan 30 2020 05:39pm)

Fixed. IMO insults during a conversation make you look pretty stupid yourself. We are all adults here.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 30 2020 05:27pm)

I have a bachelors degree in philosophy along with my BSW and MSW, which covers ethics, logic, metaphysics, and epistemology.

A few others here can probably do predicate calculus or Boolean logic.

Thundercock is a computer scientist so I suspect he could be better at logic than me. The guy who taught me predicate calculus created the Cincinnati Bell long distance network :)

I expect you'll probly have to Google those things, while saying I'm bad at those things.

Honestly you know key just hit one of my pet peeves which is people misusing the word logic.