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Jan 8 2020 02:19pm
Quote (AB75 @ 8 Jan 2020 18:06)
Im not going to bother with this, cnn is widely known across the US as deliberately misreporting and/or reporting with extreme democratic bias.



Its just quoting what trump/officials said on the matter... Where is bias in that article :rofl: cnn might be leftist and all but not 100% of its articles are made up bs, holy brainwashed.
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Jan 8 2020 02:20pm
Quote (Vincenzo @ 8 Jan 2020 17:34)
Well, we’ve found your first issue. Source.


Whats the issue? What highlighted in that article wasnt said by trump/officials?
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Jan 8 2020 04:02pm
Quote (MrWonderful @ Jan 8 2020 07:09am)
Hezbollah’s consists of many groups as well, its not one well organized entity like CIA or anything, European countries work with certain groups who are officially part of Hezbollah . As far as I can see only way he has been "glued" to terrorists actions abroad is through off-shoot radicalized cells of those organizations without any proof they where carrying out terrorist plots under his orders. An Iraqi who fights in Iranian-proxy against US, ISIS etc gets radicalized unknowingly for himself joins a cell consisting of Al-Queda/ISIS members and are directed/supplied by those organizations and carries out terrorist act in Europe as an example. It doesn't mean that suddenly a general who co-ordinates that proxy group or advises them (often have no direct control over Iranian funded proxy guerillas) is to be blamed for that act of terrorism because one cell goes rogue...


The whole middle east situation is extremely complex/there are many different moving parts of every organization there but they are very lose, and often times 1 part can be extremely radicalized while the rest isn't, yet they both could be allied because it suits them to overpower Syrian rebels/Isis/Al-Queda/Kurds .. Middle east is a mess, very few can make out who is who and often military alliances consist of one big nation such as Turkey/Iran/Saudi etc which indirectly links 3-4 smaller groups that officially proclaim to be part of one or other medium sized faction that on paper are at war with each other at certain places where those factions operate.


Trumps point "They get to use roadside bombs against us?" , well guess what Iran or more importantly proxies it funds don't plant those roadside bombs in Ohio by your elementary school, what is US still doing in Iraq? Still searching for non-existent weapons of mass destruction? Oh I forgot they decided to illegally occupy and destroy a country/nation - customs/traditions/way of life they had no clue about and by getting rid of Hussein who actually kept order and radicals in check created breeding ground for terrorism the size of United-Kingdom, nice going, I bet starting a full scale conflict with Iran who is doing around or supporting factions doing 60% of the fighting against ISIS/terrorist factions allied with them at the moment on the ground, will really help resolve things.

"Assad's genocidal regime", have you seen footage of Aleppo prior to the rebellions? It was a normal working city, poverty sure, corruption sure, but at least some part of population had normal even by western standards life style, what is it today? USA comes into these countries supports the revolting minority, cries foul when they are dispersed and gets involved, disposes of the "evil tyrant", puts monkey government in its place that cannot control the mess that erupts after strong-armed dictator kept order and prevented one ethnic group from massacring another for something that happened 100 years ago, and all hell gets let lose, then we get more radicalization, more wars between these factions formed by the power-vacuum left behind by Assads. Is it so hard to get your head around that Syria/Iraq/most of middle east needs a dictatorship, that their political history/customs/way of life depends on having a dictator who can settle things quickly/inhumanely but keep greater evil from happening? Libya enjoyed same salaries most Americans make under evil genocidal Gaddafi, USA went there got rid of him, created another hot breeding terrorist bed, and flood gates through which half of Africa/refugees are trying to get into Europe and Europeans have to deal with results of American world policing bs.



Lol the EU does not work with Hezbollah, they just allow the political party to raise money in Europe. The militant arm of Hezbollah(which is what Soleimani supported) is classified as a terrorist organization by the EU, obviously. Hezbollah’s stated goal is to expunge all jews from the middle east, that’s the reason they exist and it’s the purpose Soleimani supported.

Your second point is that Iran(through Soleimani) provided terrorists with roadside bombs that have killed and wounded thousands of Americans, Canadians and Europeans, but that these bombs aren’t being used in America. I would counter that they aren’t being used in Iran either. It’s not self-defense, and it’s not in defense of the government of Iraq, it’s only directly in support of terrorist organizations in the country.

Assad’s government tortured to death a 13 year old boy for supporting democracy in the middle east, jailed and tortured hundreds more and then when the people stood up to protest this his response was to use the military and chemical weapons on more children. I don’t think we should get involved, but obviously if I lived in Syria I would like to think I’d be part of the rebellion, because I have a fucking soul. Syrians deserve freedom from totalitarianism and justice just as much as you or I.

I don’t understand why you think that countries in the middle east can’t have decent democratic governments and instead deserve mass murdering dictators like Assad. How can you justify that viewpoint as not being racist? Those people are just as capable of conscious thought as you are, their children are just as human as yours and their parents have just as much of an obligation to defend their freedom as you do yours.

You could have said the same thing about Japan 80 years ago and history has shown us that just like all of the other people in the world Japan is capable of practicing democracy and improving the lives of their children. So is Syria and Iran and all the rest.
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Jan 8 2020 04:04pm
Happy I could stir up some healthy debate. Any med or whatever can edit the middle to missile that would be cool
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Jan 8 2020 04:16pm
Quote (Bazi @ Jan 8 2020 12:02pm)
Hypocritical War machine continues

Nothing to do with Iran general being a “bad guy” btw, has to do with the method. You gonna drone every “bad guy” in the world even if they are public servants or military in their respective country?

We are potentially going to war with Iran cuz they are “bad people”? How many civilians do you think will die in the process, and what specifically do we have to gain. How many American lives? How much American resources wasted that could be spent at home? Decreased terror attacks in Iraq? Iraq voted for us to leave their country also lmao



Calling Soleimani a "bad guy" is like calling Eichmann a"bad guy". It's true, obviously, but you're kind of under selling it.

It's not like they were killed for being rude to people on the bus.
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Jan 8 2020 04:35pm
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Jan 8 2020 04:16pm)
Calling Soleimani a "bad guy" is like calling Eichmann a"bad guy". It's true, obviously, but you're kind of under selling it.

It's not like they were killed for being rude to people on the bus.



Point ?

So you want to start wars based on the subjectivity of your definition of bad guy

Where do Hugo chavez, Kim , king salman, Putin , jinping fit on your paradigm ?


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Jan 8 2020 04:41pm
Quote (Bazi @ Jan 8 2020 05:35pm)
Point ?

So you want to start wars based on the subjectivity of your definition of bad guy

Where do Hugo chavez, Kim , king salman, Putin , jinping fit on your paradigm ?



If they kill hundreds of Americans they fit in right beside Soleimani in a pine box.
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Jan 8 2020 04:53pm
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If they kill hundreds of Americans they fit in right beside Soleimani in a pine box.


How about the thousands of dead Americans soldiers from the Iraq war, and increasingly amount of American soldiers that returned home without proper healthcare or access to jobs

Should someone be accountable for that?

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Jan 8 2020 05:19pm
This might be the first donor forum thread moved here where a legit discussion was going on...
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Jan 8 2020 05:21pm
Quote (MDavis @ Jan 7 2020 05:57pm)
I hope the US and our allies use extreme caution with proceeding forward. Scary stuff

Edit: meant to say missile not middle


this scares you?

lol.
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