There are no lies made by myself and that question does nothing to disprove or answer what I have presented.

Its a juvenile dodge on your part.

How is posting the very heart of my argument a dodge?
I stated outright, endless corporate expansion is the cause of these issues.
Allowing corporations to endlessly gorge themselves on other smaller entities leads to monopolies that prevent competition and stifle wages.
When you are the only major employer in an area you can dictate lower wages and exploit the local populace.
The more neo liberalism becomes the norm the worse things will get.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 13 2019 01:26am

yes i know you are going to ignore and skip over virtually everything you don't like to hear.
Facts are inconvenient to someone who wants to mindlessly repeat anti-capitalist authoritarian leftist talking points.


Whether or not there are more or less part times jobs is not the heart of your argument and has nothing to do with what I have stated.



You can state that all you want. It doesn't make you right and doesn't address my points.
Your rants about corporations being bad has little to do with the original topic or points made.

You called excessive regulations and regulatory capture that unfairly entrench and advantage certain corporations a "fairy tail".
Why do you not want to look into that? because it goes against the narrative you have been fed?
Is opening up these corporations to more competition a bad thing to you?

Government has been mandating extra compensation packages and other rules as a requirement for full time employment.
This has been a disincentive to hiring full time employees, leading to the part-time phenomenon you are seeing now.

Your stated solutions are also overwhelmingly flawed and ill-equipped to fix the problems. I laid this out in previous posts. That is what we were discussing, not debating the # of part time jobs.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 13 2019 01:36am

"I love how modern conservatives basically act like a living wage is impossible and conveniently ignore the fact that it has been the standard for basically all of human history up until they broke it."
My initial post.
Everything i have said since relates back to that, if you are unable to work out the connections i am not going to be able to somehow make you more intelligent.
Everyone used to make a living wage, this was the norm, an average guy working full time could buy a house with his spouse looking after the children.

Endless corporate expansion ended this, i listed the reasons.

I directly took on that statement and you have routinely ignored my points because you are unable and unwilling to deal with them.

People in first world countries are mostly living remarkably better than the overwhelming majority of humans throughout history, not worse.
Mandating a very high 'living wage' and banning other wages has a number of detrimental effects, some of which I have outlined and referred to in this thread.

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This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 13 2019 01:56am

Your comparison of shitting in a bucket and dying of polio to current conditions does not mean current conditions are good.
We have it worse than the generation directly preceding ours..
This should not be the case.
No one has said anything about a "very high wage" either, compare minimum wage to the AVERAGE wage and tell me the difference.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 13 2019 02:01am

I have never stated that i am perfectly content with current conditions.
It was you who tried to negatively compare current conditions to all of human history.

I am not against making things better.
Your stated solutions to make things better are nonsensical and would not achieve that goal.


Myself and others have said plenty about a very high wage.
Most leftist interpretations of "living wage" call for doubling or tripling the minimum wage in America, which is a point well beyond the average wage in most countries, and which would lead to significant negative outcomes.

If you have children the 'living wage' scales much higher.
$52.52 is the purported 'living wage' for 1 adult if you have 3 children in NY state.
$28.90 if there are 2 working adults and 2 children.
$15 for 1 adult with no children.

What # is the living wage in your opinion, in US dollars?
Do you deny enforcing a living wage would have drawbacks?

You make some great points, i will have to think on this and get back to it.
I do think the drawbacks will be less than the positives if we force big business to give more back to their employees but i really did overlook regional pricing.
Edit: I think capping executive pay to a percentage of average company wage will get everyone up to par without forcing any particular wage increase.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 13 2019 02:38am