Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 28 2019 09:02pm)

It is from the perspective of whether you're invalidating someone's gender.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 27 2019 01:15am)

LMK what if the firing was justified and that OP does not reflect the truth ?

Stack Exchange director of community Sara Chipps said, "On Friday, we revoked privileges for one Stack Exchange moderator when they refused to abide by our Code of Conduct (CoC) after being asked to change their behavior multiple times. The disagreement stemmed from an interpretation of a certain policy, but our CoC is not up for debate."

"While we can’t discuss any more specifics, I’ll share that we take our CoC very seriously," Chipps continued. "It was created to foster a community of kindness, collaboration, and mutual respect. We understand that a few other moderators have resigned, and they may or may not have full knowledge of the situation. But we hope all moderators know that we very much value and appreciate their contributions, and above all else, we are committed to creating communities that are welcoming and inclusive."

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 28 2019 09:02pm)

I think it comes down to whether we associate something that is "more polite than doing X" = "polite". That's the cornerstone of this current conversation, I think. Is using "they" more polite than using "he"? Yes, and I would encourage someone to utilize the former rather than the latter 10/10 times. However, just because it's comparatively more polite doesn't necessarily mean that it's polite in and of itself.

Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 28 2019 06:14pm)

I'm not invalidating their gender, reality is
I'm simply reacting to the observed physiology of their body
If they do a better job at masquerading as female i would think they were

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 28 2019 06:18pm)

yes, yes we do. as mentioned, thats exactly what being polite means.

Quote (Handcuffs @ 29 Oct 2019 03:47)

So your usage of pronouns is dependent on your perception of them and not their biology?

I think polite is in-part determined by the receiver of a message. Thus far, it's been deemed "polite" by just the senders.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 28 2019 11:11pm)

The true problem in the case we're discussiing is that there is a fundamental disagreement between the two sides. Person A identifies as female, while person B considers A to be a man based on undeniable biological features.

Is it automatically rude/impolite to make this disagreement noticable via a refusal to explicitly use female pronouns for person A, i.e. by refusing to explicitly endorse A's viewpoint?

Honestly, I consider this line of thinking to be completely ridiculous. Disagreeing with someone's viewpoint is not impolite, and putting in effort to mask this substantive disagreement as much as possible is certainly polite.
I, personally, reject the notion that politeness has to entail endorsing or affirming the other person's viewpoint.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 28 2019 08:11pm)

The true problem in the case we're discussiing is that there is a fundamental disagreement between the two sides. Person A identifies as female, while person B considers A to be a man based on undeniable biological features.

Is it automatically rude/impolite to make this disagreement noticable via a refusal to explicitly use female pronouns for person A, i.e. by refusing to explicitly endorse A's viewpoint?

Honestly, I consider this line of thinking to be completely ridiculous. Disagreeing with someone's viewpoint is not impolite, and putting in effort to mask this substantive disagreement as much as possible is certainly polite.
I, personally, reject the notion that politeness has to entail endorsing or affirming the other person's viewpoint.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 28 2019 08:17pm)

i agree. people these days cant handle the fact that other people think differently than they do, and theyre trying to make everyone else cater to that. ridiculous.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 28 2019 11:38pm)

But misgendering or degendering someone requires conscious effort in many cases. If Blaire White were to rob you, you wouldn't call the police and say that a man just robbed you.

Pronouns aren't grounded in biology, but are more about mental shortcuts in conversation in most cases.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 28 2019 09:04pm)

yes, pronouns are shortcuts, which are ... based on biology!

unless you think that pronouns should be based on someone else's thoughts that you dont know yet...?

when i was in high school i had long hair. someone once came up behind me and addressed me as 'miss'. i didnt try to get him arrested and ruin his career because he misgendered me. i corrected him, brushed it off and moved on with my life.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 29 2019 12:39am)

If they're based on biology, then what does that look like for you in everyday usage of pronouns? What part of a person's biology are you confirming in order to determine which pronouns you want to use?

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 28 2019 09:41pm)

why is this so hard for you? you use whatever info you have available, ie what you can see. such as my gorgeous long hair in my situation.