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Violent revolutions lead to bad things happening, why do people seem surprised that a man overthrowing a brutal dictator did bad things?
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Oct 9 2019 08:05pm
Quote (djman72 @ 9 Oct 2019 16:40)
Simple google search - From a man of faith.

http://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=1535

Javier Arzuaga, the Basque chaplain who gave comfort to those sentenced to die and personally witnessed dozens of executions, spoke to me recently from his home in Puerto Rico. A former Catholic priest, now seventy-five, who describes himself as “closer to Leonardo Boff and Liberation Theology than to the former Cardinal Ratzinger,” he recalls that

there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge.

This man is no idol and there is no misnomer.

He might look cool on your new tee shirt, but he was a stain on human history. Just another shining example of ideology that doesn't work, but captivates the minds of the weak.


So firstly 'the butcher' here is referring to the American who 'enjoyed giving the order to shoot'. Secondly these men were condemned to die for crimes of torture, murder and rape. Thirdly Che 'never overturning a sentence' doesn't make him a butcher either.

Here's a video from my buddy Bad Empanada - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBXFXwGuJE

Recommend you watch it so you can learn some shit. Then read the books he references so you can learn some more shit.
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Oct 9 2019 08:08pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 10 Oct 2019 03:04)
Violent revolutions lead to bad things happening, why do people seem surprised that a man overthrowing a brutal dictator did bad things?


I mean the thing is... he didn't do nearly all of the bad things he's been accused of in this thread. I have my own criticisms of Che but these accusations are nothing but anti-communist mythicism.
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Oct 9 2019 08:14pm
So lets say overthrowing brutal dictators and having collateral damage is the issue the right make it out to be..
Your hero george bush caused five hundred thousand deaths by invading iraq..
Many of them children..
Now who is the monster?

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Quote (Plaguefear @ 10 Oct 2019 03:14)
So lets say overthrowing brutal dictators and having collateral damage is the issue the right make it out to be..
Your hero george bush caused five hundred thousand deaths by invading iraq..
Many of them children..
Now who is the monster?


Hey. Ellen Degeneres says he's an ok guy so lay off ok?
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Oct 9 2019 10:00pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 10 Oct 2019 03:17)


That's literally the start of the same quote that was posted earlier.

jesus you people don't bother to look up anything do you?
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Oct 9 2019 10:17pm
Republicans be hating on che all like "Look! Hes racist like us!".
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Oct 9 2019 10:24pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 9 2019 07:14pm)
So lets say overthrowing brutal dictators and having collateral damage is the issue the right make it out to be..
Your hero george bush caused five hundred thousand deaths by invading iraq..
Many of them children..
Now who is the monster?


who here is supporting bush?
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Republicans be hating on che all like "Look! Hes racist like us!".

you're a racist m8



This post was edited by majorblood on Oct 9 2019 10:25pm
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Quote (majorblood @ Oct 10 2019 03:24pm)
who here is supporting bush?
you're a racist m8


Bush was pretty popular with the right, you know he got two terms right?
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