Ha! Mine too. Of course my church is a countertop with 6 gallons of vodka on it. And I don't share.



Churches don't turn away people due to their lifestyles. Or at least, most of them don't. Whether divorced, an addict, or LGBTQ, whatever, you're good, come on in, allow us an opportunity to change your soul for the better. It's the leadership roles that don't welcome such. And divorce is a hot topic still. Among deacons and preachers, priests and clergy, it seems as though there's a roughly half and half split. Just depends on the congregation, I guess. Note that to become a priest, should you be so allowed, after a divorce, you still take a vow of celibacy. So you're unlikely to get the chance of another divorce any time soon. It should be noted: The orthodox Catholic church does not recognize divorce, only annulment. So if you divorce, they view it as nothing more than a separation, and will not allow remarriage.

I think this was one topic that Christians just sort of said, "lesser of two evils". If two people being married makes the world a worse place, and their differences are irreconcilable, eventually one is likely to murder the other. Seems the lesser sin is to allow the divorce and move on. The church agreed with this approach, with reluctance.

Highest ranking Australian catholic just got found guilty of child molestation and covering up the crimes of many other predators for decades.
Not sure I can take their teachings seriously.

New hype;
After the children it's now nuns' turn to talk. A lot of priests were putting the power of Jesus directly in their throat.

I'll literally grant you everything you just said for the sake of argument because the best you can do is "it's allowed but you aren't allowed to actively capture them yourself."

Under your argument, I'm correct in that the bible is clear that you can own slaves, and there was a movement away from an unambiguous teaching in the bible.

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Last time I asked you were Catholic or something.

Finally made the leap to the edgy euphoric side!

“Sure, you’re welcome. Oh, you’re gay? Sorry, you can’t be a leader here, teach Sunday school, etc. Oh, you’re in a relationship? Sorry, can’t let you become a member.” That is NOT welcoming at all.

I, however, believe there is a Creator and the Big Bang is total horseshit. But I don’t go to church anymore because I can’t find a good one that’s not dead but also won’t judge me for being gay. So if you Christians really want to “save” people, you gotta change your approach somehow. Right now, all I feel is hostility, self-righteousness, snobbishness, vanity.

Catholic is a political organization.

Atheist Catholics have all the guilt none of the hope lol.

Sounds hot

I do not understand what point you're trying to make here. When the various books of the bible were written, slavery was simply a fact of life. The law allowed slavery, period. It was not considered "wrong" at that time. Thus, the bible attempted to lay out some kind of morality when both dealing with slaves, and being a slave. And nothing it preached was bad. Be honest, instructing slaves to obey their masters, even bad masters, is very very good advice. When the alternative is to be crucified, impaled, hanged, etc. what real choice do you have? Work hard and not be punished, possibly even be rewarded, or rebel, and be brutally murdered, is there a real choice?

How the various notes on slavery are written though, makes it extremely clear that you cannot enslave people at all, under the teachings of the bible.Thus, in order for slavery to even be an option, you must live in a society where it is legal under the laws of the land. Contrast that with Islam, where the religion itself promotes it, but only gives the right to enslave people that are captured during jihad.



Not being a Christian, I can't speak to your experience, or really offer any help in that regard. What I can do is ask you a simple question: How do the churches you go to know you're gay? How do they even know that there's something about you they should judge? I mean, if you're from a small town, I get it. But otherwise, why are you discussing your sexuality in a church? In general, open sexuality is frowned upon in churches. Even really discussing sexuality at all, be it homosexuality or heterosexuality, isn't typically approved of.

What Islam says is irrelevant to this conversation.

If you ask most Christians, at least the ones I've talked to, they would say that slavery is a moral wrong. That includes owning slaves. The Bible clearly doesn't teach that owning slaves is morally wrong. This is a movement of Christians away from an unambiguous position in the Bible.

Therefore, its not unreasonable to expect that Christians could move away from other unambiguous teachings in the bible.

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