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Nov 6 2018 03:17pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Nov 6 2018 02:10pm)
I don't really see as to why you think IDs are voter suppression. I'd like some statistical data on what citizens in the U.S claim that they can't have an ID available for voting.

All I ever see is rhetoric and terrible arguments.


They aren't, and the majority of Democrats support a voter ID.

They should be free, easy to get, and easy to replace. That's literally all the Dems asked for and the Republicans said fuck no because then too many people would vote.
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Nov 6 2018 03:18pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ 6 Nov 2018 17:10)
I don't really see as to why you think IDs are voter suppression. I'd like some statistical data on what citizens in the U.S claim that they can't have an ID available for voting.

All I ever see is rhetoric and terrible arguments.

because the op fender aka heinrich von goebbels has two different views on voter suppression:

in the USA requiring ID for voting is voter oppression
in his ancestor joseph’s Reich from 1933-1945 killing their own citizens was not deemed voter oppression (or oppression at all for that matter, it was called a “solution”)
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Nov 6 2018 03:20pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 6 Nov 2018 17:17)
They aren't, and the majority of Democrats support a voter ID.

They should be free, easy to get, and easy to replace. That's literally all the Dems asked for and the Republicans said fuck no because then too many people would vote.


Free and easy to get yes. Easy to replace, no. You should be able to provide your social security number and birth certificate plus proof of citizenship to both get and replace, but it should definitely be free.

If you just easily cop out what you said, there'd be fake ones everywhere.
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Nov 6 2018 03:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Nov 2018 22:04)
its almost like over the years we've taken (as a subforum) perhaps 20 political spectrum tests, and i've never failed to test as anything but centrist, or something.

your only move is to call me a liar i suppose, the tests speak to a more accurate idea of who i am than your perception of me from your incredibly biased place on the left side of the spectrum. i have a nuanced centrist earnest answer for any and all critiques you have about how my posts make you feel. time and again i give them then you run off or worse yet imply im a liar, o well.

i get hacks like you calling me out for a phony, and endless sky on the other side doing the same thing. that's what "speaks for itself", both sides pull equally at the center and it stays in the same damn spot. im the rope, you kids keep at your tug of war tho, it tickles.


sorry to burst your bubble, trench boy, but you did NOT provide any genuinely centrist views to this thread.

i provided plenty of sources documenting the massive nationwide efforts by republicans to prevent people from voting. you have a generic and simplistic 'b-b-but both sides do it' reply.
i provided a study debunking the moronic 'both parties are equally bad' narrative, you have a ridiculous blanket statement about democratic 'inner city' policy as a response.



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Nov 6 2018 03:22pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Nov 6 2018 03:10pm)
I don't really see as to why you think IDs are voter suppression. I'd like some statistical data on what citizens in the U.S claim that they can't have an ID available for voting.

All I ever see is rhetoric and terrible arguments.


you have never seen a single study on the impact of voter ID laws?
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Nov 6 2018 03:23pm
the main problem in the us is missing documentation and registration, thats what causes most of these things in the first place

with a proper residents registration office, where all citizens are obliged to be registered its so much easier to organise an election
it would be possible to send the necessary papers to voters, polling stations could have lists with all people that are eligible to vote
just bring your id and you are good to go

but that would be too easy, wouldnt it
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Nov 6 2018 03:23pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Nov 2018 17:22)
you have never seen a single study on the impact of voter ID laws?


No, but that isn't what I asked for. Studying the impact of voter ID laws without actual cases within a society as organized as ours would be redundant.

I'm sure there probably are countries out there that have voter ID laws and they more than likely have zero issues because they have small populations and not nearly as much diversity as the U.S currently does.

What I'd really like to see is people having lack of ID, like drivers licenses or any other ID that they may use in replacement of that. Uh, I mean data showing that people that the left claim don't have ready identification on them at most times.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Nov 6 2018 03:25pm
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 6 2018 12:29pm)
my rural polling station will prob have about 5 people in line ahead of me when i get there at 6 pm. i cant fathom voting in the city, its no wonder participation is so low.


Line was out the door at 7:00 AM this morning at my precinct.
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Nov 6 2018 03:26pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 6 2018 03:20pm)
sorry to burst your bubble, trench boy, but you did NOT provide any genuinely centrist views to this thread.


according to a zealot from the far left.

listening to you on my place on the political spectrum is like taking financial advice from High Times.

i offered plenty of examples of practices democrats use to also influence the vote, and admitted that depending on how you define voter disenfranchisement they may not apply to your perspective. i'm not going to waste my time digging up sources to argue with you, you're pure boredom fodder and i'm simply not that bored. the fact that you got an earnest response to that monstrosity of a shitpost is reason enough for you to celebrate. i've noticed you dont get much play around here anymore, Sad! i guess it's true what they say, a piece of shit moronic hack poster can only last so long before people realize they're intellectually equivalent to a vegetable and start to ignore them.
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Nov 6 2018 03:30pm
In my opinion both sides could compromise. Maybe we should make it pretty easy to get a voter ID, just need proof of citizenship.

You just need to make sure you have your ID physically on you when you vote. The ID should have a scanable barcode, which stores the data of you arriving to vote in a closed system provided by the government. (This would still be open to government corruption and manipulation but it would be far better than the current system imo).

That way they could compare the physical number of attendees to ballots casted.
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