Hillary was such a bad candidate that the Republican candidate din't have to conspire to influence the election.

The funniest part is that Hillary DID conspire with Russia to make the Steele Dossier

And still got smoked

And conspired with the DNC to tilt the playing field against Barnie Sanders too And she still needed him to foolishly claim “idgaf about ur emails” to get it done lololol !!!

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 20 2018 07:17pm

All true, but sore points for the left.

You keep using the word conspiracy without defining it. If Trump had knowledge of what exactly? That the Russians favored him over her? That they hacked the DNC?

The GRU can come out tomorrow and tell us that they hacked the DNC and exposed the corruption to damage Hillary and i would shake their hand and applaud them for it. Even if Trump knew during the election that the Russians were doing this i don't care. It's no holds barred battle of political interests and the neocons lost, at least temporarily. As a paleoconservative i'm very happy we are taking a more isolationist, more pacifist role in the world. Fuck the neocons that want to spend tax dollars projecting power across the globe, we're 6 trillion in the red between Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria i'm extremely satisfied with Trumps handling of foreign policy.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 20 2018 07:22pm

Speaking in LEFTY at the moment...

On top of everything else, there is incontrovertible proof that Hillary cheated and Trump didn't.

"Cheaters never win, and winners never cheat".


So there.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 20 2018 07:26pm

icepeon fancies himself an intellectual - which is why he decided to stop voting for rinos like mccain and romney (a good choice by him) but failed by voting for hillary (who lost to a “stupid incompetent inexperienced idiot” as lefties and anti-trumpers describe drumpf)

as such icepeon is quite perplexed as to how could this have happened, so he seeks the path of least resistance to explain how he shilled and voted and still spams gifs for someone who managed to lose to an orange chad.

thus, his posting ‘russia’ patterns since Nov 8 2016 hillary’s campaign guy podesta decided they should use that talking point

e: now in a fit of irony icepeon loves drumpf’s SC picks and loves claiming this despite he voted for a candidate that would clone Ginsburg and nominate 3 of her rather than someone like Gorsuch

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 20 2018 07:34pm

oh ya trump did the old one two punch and become putins lover....but wait or did he expel 60 russians diplomats and put more sanctions than any president in history....keep reading false narratives and stay uninformed

you know what the problem with hypotheticals is?

I mean, we have proof that Hillary/DNC actually did collude with the Ukraine (manafort ledger), and proof she/they colluded with Russian sources (steele dossier), both with the purpose of influencing the election. Heck the FEC even fined Bernie for colluding with a foreign government and it didn't even make the papers. And here we are two years of wild accusations against Trump later and it looks further than ever that any actual knowing collusion took place. Yet you still want to deal in the hypothetical. You can use hypothetical scenarios to debunk claims and identify the weaknesses of theories, but they're all too spurious when you want to construct one in the absence of evidence. Take the hypothetical case where Putin did have kompromat on Trump and did collude with him. In that scenario, you have to come up with rational explanations for why Putin would never deploy his kompromat even after years of Trump pooping all over Russia. 3 rounds of sanctions, 2 rounds of tomahawks on assad, blowing up 200 russians in battle, sending lethal arms like patriot missiles to ukraine and poland ($200 million more released just today), undermining his energy leverage with LNG shipments and opposing nord stream 2, denouncing him on skripal and election hacking, ejecting diplomats, closing consulates, etc etc etc etc. Such a theory needs to explain how all that can happen and Putin did not use his leverage to stop it. You can't keep rationalizing every action as a false flag gambit, then its nothing but tinfoil nuttery. Also, you must rationalize the theory by figuring out how it all managed to stay secret this long. With every journalist in the western hemisphere digging desperately to try to find collusion, and an intelligence community so leaky that the public gets to know what Trump eats for breakfast, there's no way such a conspiracy could be kept hidden for so long. Same problem as the 9/11 crackpots, Maddox had a good piece on debunking conspiracies back when everyone screaming about it now was in diapers.

It reeks of desperation when the best the anti-Trump conspiracy theorists can hope for at this point is the kind of offense that is either not illegal, or an FEC violation that's normally punished with a slap on the wrist, minor fine and sending kids on their way.
People want to believe in conspiracies. People would rather delegitimize their opposition than address their arguments. Our political discourse is all about impugning motives on a scale never seen before in American politics, not even prior to the civil war when ideologues at least did each other the service of acknowledging the contrasting views as they spat upon one another and beat them with canes.



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This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 20 2018 08:33pm