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Mar 9 2018 08:46pm
Quote (Skinned @ Mar 9 2018 08:52am)
Giant babies with nuclear arsenals are meeting.

The chance of world destruction that day is probably higher than any other day in world history, save the Cuban Missile Crisis maybe.


Lol was wondering what was going to be the REEE angle on this one. Can Trump do a single thing right in your book or a you just a fanatic that will oppose him regardless?



Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 9 2018 02:11pm)
His country relies on China for trade and protection. If China pulls back, Kim has to go elsewhere. If China has decided e.g. its 10 year plan includes retaking Taiwan and expanding into the Korean peninsula, something Kim would know but nobody else would know yet, then it would make sense for him to shift alliances to pull the United States in as hedge against Chinese encroachment. What better way to do that than leeching on the alliance the US has with SK?


Any why would China expand into the Korean peninsula? So it can inherit tens of millions of 5 foot malnourished plebs? NK is the useful pawn that serves as a buffer zone. The age of land conquering is over imo. China is more worried about a unified Korea (mostly under the South Korean leadership) because it would be an economic rival and it would mean US hegemony creeping even closer towards its border. Taiwan is a different story, they want to control Taiwan because of historical context as well as the fact it's a stout economic zone and once again they don't want the US setting up more "defensive" military bases in my places like Taiwan.

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Any why would China expand into the Korean peninsula? So it can inherit tens of millions of 5 foot malnourished plebs? NK is the useful pawn that serves as a buffer zone. The age of land conquering is over imo.


To prevent what you wrote below.

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China is more worried about a unified Korea (mostly under the South Korean leadership) because it would be an economic rival and it would mean US hegemony creeping even closer towards its border. Taiwan is a different story, they want to control Taiwan because of historical context as well as the fact it's a stout economic zone and once again they don't want the US setting up more "defensive" military bases in my places like Taiwan.


That's exactly what I said.

We agree on this to be honest, I just think China may take expansionary action if the DPRK is successful in tying itself to the South and by extension the U.S. They have troops lining the borders already, and have been concentrating them there in greater numbers all year. Xi and Kim have never even met in person. There's bad blood over sanctions and economic trouble in China from losing cheap natural resource imports from DPRK. You likely think they will limit it to economic issues between the two, which is a rational position to take. I'm definitely the long shot position here.

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Mar 9 2018 10:22pm
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Lol was wondering what was going to be the REEE angle on this one. Can Trump do a single thing right in your book or a you just a fanatic that will oppose him regardless?





Any why would China expand into the Korean peninsula? So it can inherit tens of millions of 5 foot malnourished plebs? NK is the useful pawn that serves as a buffer zone. The age of land conquering is over imo. China is more worried about a unified Korea (mostly under the South Korean leadership) because it would be an economic rival and it would mean US hegemony creeping even closer towards its border. Taiwan is a different story, they want to control Taiwan because of historical context as well as the fact it's a stout economic zone and once again they don't want the US setting up more "defensive" military bases in my places like Taiwan.


We will see if he does anything right.
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Mar 9 2018 10:24pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 9 2018 06:46pm)
Lol was wondering what was going to be the REEE angle on this one. Can Trump do a single thing right in your book or a you just a fanatic that will oppose him regardless?


> Nah, Trump can't do anything right by their books.

> But if people don't criticize Trump on something, they are "Trump cultists"

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Mar 9 2018 10:28pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Mar 9 2018 08:34pm)
To prevent what you wrote below.



That's exactly what I said.

We agree on this to be honest, I just think China may take expansionary action if the DPRK is successful in tying itself to the South and by extension the U.S. They have troops lining the borders already, and have been concentrating them there in greater numbers all year. Xi and Kim have never even met in person. There's bad blood over sanctions and economic trouble in China from losing cheap natural resource imports from DPRK. You likely think they will limit it to economic issues between the two, which is a rational position to take. I'm definitely the long shot position here.


Your scenario is plausible and will become reality if NK and SK somehow magically decide to talk peace/unification. Honestly, it's not that farfetched. I think realistically at some point either Kim will loose control or after he dies that regime will implode. We might be looking at a scenario similar to Germany post the wall coming down. Problem with that is it would be a huge threat to China geo politically and i could totally see China putting the kibosh on any such aspirations. China is more assertive than ever. There's absolutely no chance they're going to idly sit but and loose control of Taiwan or let Korea become unified.

It stinks that small nations seem to always suffer at the expense of geopolitical aspirations of bigger neighbors. My mother country and other close eastern European neighbors were held back a lot throughout history by various regimes & empires.

I don't think people fully understand the significance of geography and various natural barriers in nations being successful. Northern Europe is as successful as they are because the south and east served as a buffer zone between various threats throughout the millennia.

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Lol was wondering what was going to be the REEE angle on this one. Can Trump do a single thing right in your book or a you just a fanatic that will oppose him regardless?


Don't be a pleb.

It's perfectly valid to be skeptical of Trump's diplomatic capabilities. If you're not worried about Trump meeting with the dictator of a hostile, quasi-nuclear power then you're an idiot.

That said - he has the chance to do something great. It's just that it's also an opportunity to royally fuck shit up and make the situation much worse.
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Mar 9 2018 11:12pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 10 Mar 2018 04:24)
> Nah, Trump can't do anything right by their books.

> But if people don't criticize Trump on something, they are "Trump cultists"


If you don't criticise him on anything at all then yea - you are. Because he is objectively bad at so many things.
Telling the truth, lying and forming sentences at all to name but a few.
You can agree with individual actions and policies but if you agree with everything he says and does then you're a cultist... And a horrible person.
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Mar 9 2018 11:31pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Mar 9 2018 11:24pm)
> Nah, Trump can't do anything right by their books.

> But if people don't criticize Trump on something, they are "Trump cultists"


I've just seen him attack working families through health insurance and tariffs set to decimate jobs.

He is weakening the US on the world stage. Regional powers are threatening our allies and the executive doesn't even seem aware.

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I've just seen him attack working families through health insurance and tariffs set to decimate jobs.

He is weakening the US on the world stage. Regional powers are threatening our allies and the executive doesn't even seem aware.


Should just let this thread die now tbh. My thread is clearly where this should be discussed. This thread is just spam.
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Mar 10 2018 12:01am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 9 2018 09:46pm)
Lol was wondering what was going to be the REEE angle on this one. Can Trump do a single thing right in your book or a you just a fanatic that will oppose him regardless?





Any why would China expand into the Korean peninsula? So it can inherit tens of millions of 5 foot malnourished plebs? NK is the useful pawn that serves as a buffer zone. The age of land conquering is over imo. China is more worried about a unified Korea (mostly under the South Korean leadership) because it would be an economic rival and it would mean US hegemony creeping even closer towards its border. Taiwan is a different story, they want to control Taiwan because of historical context as well as the fact it's a stout economic zone and once again they don't want the US setting up more "defensive" military bases in my places like Taiwan.


What is REEE? That like MAGA?

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