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Sep 5 2017 04:37am
Quote (chemoshots @ Sep 4 2017 09:48pm)
everyone's opinion matters
especially in this country
among other things, this is why you are a shit American


MERIT-ocracy

Worthless opinion.

Quote (Xandriia @ Sep 4 2017 11:17pm)
Things like this are what's making it easy to see that modern day "conservatives" are just racist garbage. You don't care what impact people make on a country if those people are a few shades darker than paste.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2017/08/28/437956/daca-recipients-economic-educational-gains-continue-grow/


https://i.imgur.com/1VxthvF.png



Also this


And over half have dropped out :rofl:

Keep getting your news from bad celebrities. Politics is just a fad for people like you

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Sep 5 2017 04:39am
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Sep 5 2017 04:45am
Its very hard for us to have an honest discussion on immigration in 2017 isn't it?
We should be weighing the moral and pragmatic arguments. But if we simply deny the costs and risks and pretend immigration is always a net good, we get a disingenuous argument
No, illegal immigrants aren't paying as much in taxes as the social programs they receive. No, we can't absorb people indefinitely. No, illegal immigrants don't commit neglible crimes per capita.
Are there still moral concerns that could justify giving paths to citizenship and deferments? Yes. But if we deny all the former in favor of the latter, then the only reasonable argument we're hearing is one-sided.
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Sep 5 2017 05:48am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 5 2017 05:37am)
MERIT-ocracy

Worthless opinion.



And over half have dropped out :rofl:

Keep getting your news from bad celebrities. Politics is just a fad for people like you


You're anti-merit though. All privilege based systems are. Our WH runs on nepotism.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 5 2017 05:48am
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Sep 5 2017 06:04am
way past time, illegal migration can not be rewarded and its also past time that children are no longer abused by their families to serve as an "anchor"
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Sep 5 2017 06:25am
Quote (ampoo @ 5 Sep 2017 13:04)
way past time, illegal migration can not be rewarded and its also past time that children are no longer abused by their families to serve as an "anchor"


Is that even a thing in the US ? or are you projecting your own German resentment on the US ?

DACA seems to be about: if we should keep toddlers responsible for immigrating illegally. If we want to criminalize them for being carried over the border having no say in the situation.

I lolled about the $500,- / 2 years. :Pay to not become a criminal.. Only in the US ^^


Quote (Ghot @ 4 Sep 2017 07:12)
Good point.

It's a tough call.
I thought about deporting them, and THEN letting only the children apply for legal immigration.
The parents can't because they already broke a law, which would disqualify them.


I dunno, permanent residency permit, I guess, might BE the only way. Assuming we immediately get rid of DACA and the Dreamer Act, assuming that permanent residency status does NOT allow them to bring in relatives.


You were so close, so you see the good points, agree with the policy and then want to get rid of it. #almostmadesense

This post was edited by Knaapie on Sep 5 2017 06:35am
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Sep 5 2017 06:58am
Quote (majorblood @ 5 Sep 2017 08:46)


lol at all the morons who reply to him with the same tired rhetoric over and over

>drumpf you are a heartless dictator for asking the legislative branch of the US goverment to function as expressed by the Constitution. doesnt he know the constitution is unconstitutional and the US legal code is illegal?!?!?! This is proof of obstruction and russian national socialist ties, impeach!!!!!

Reeeeeeeeeeeee

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Sep 5 2017 07:33am
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So he's going to use DACA as leverage for something else?

4d chess, maga, derp.
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Sep 5 2017 07:43am
Quote (IceMage @ 5 Sep 2017 15:33)
So he's going to use DACA as leverage for something else?

4d chess, maga, derp.


congress should have acted on DACA/dreamers a long time ago. that they didnt is the reason obama created DACA in the first place. now it's finally time to settle this. it's congress' job to come up with a solution. all trump did is remind congress about their responsibility and stating his position, i.e. what will happen if congress once again fails to act on the issue. thats perfectly reasonable and fair.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 5 2017 07:43am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 5 2017 09:43am)
congress should have acted on DACA/dreamers a long time ago. that they didnt is the reason obama created DACA in the first place. now it's finally time to settle this. it's congress' job to come up with a solution. all trump did is remind congress about their responsibility and stating his position, i.e. what will happen if congress once again fails to act on the issue. thats perfectly reasonable and fair.


Anything that forces Congress to actually deal with the issue for a change is ok in my book.
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