Any healthcare specialist out there to address this hike?

I mean when you get 10 million + people going to the doctor that otherwise wouldn't I expect hikes then normalization. And ideas on the normalizing period?

does it even matter if we're headed towards a single payer system in a decade? are we?

Libertarian health care plan for the working class: get sick and die.

don't think you'll see the wonders of singlepayer/universal healthcare in your lifetime unless you move out of the states

too much money tying the medical industry to politics and too many americans (including yourself i believe) opposed to universal healthcare

When the sands of time are involved i rarely have an opinion on the matter. universal healthcare is coming in some form or another IMO within my lifetime. So i will not oppose it. I even see this terrible obamacare situation as a speed bump that's necessary and haven't bitched too much about my premium increase. Plus the company covered the 6% increase for all employees so i have no real grievance. If anything i'd prefer we do it asap to avoid waiting for a better system. It takes time to perfect, so lets get the imperfect phase done now while im young.

I have the same general stance towards pot legalization, gay marriage, and abortion. Why fight the eventual?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 25 2016 07:53am

well afaik hillary's opposed to single payer so you're looking at a minimum of 8 years before there's a chance of things getting better

I think that depends on how large of a role Bernie plays for her. If the majority is lost and he heads up the budget I think we could see a shift in her position. Her position is nothing more than a reflection of what she feels she can realistically get done, which is somewhat unknowable given the shaky majority and relationship post-election with Ryan. She's savvy enough not to promise the world when she knows she can't deliver, and most of her position came before the latest round of hike to which she had Bill out there railing against Obamacare while she worked the fire extinguisher on stage to call attention to the merits.

This is proof the system is working as intended

The ACA is fool's gold. It's a political talking point that Obama and Democrats can pat themselves on the back about and say they gave millions of previously uninsured Americans health insurance, when in actuality its driven up costs, made our health care system even more bureaucratic, and hasn't actually improved health care outcomes for poor Americans all that much.

The health care issue is a complicated issue, but the ACA was riddled with crony problems from the start, including guarenteeing health insurance companies massive profits. And interestingly enough, the ACA is now acting as an impediment to the passage of a universal health care system, which is obviously the ideal health care system when you examine other wealthy democracies that employ those systems with lower costs and better health care outcomes

We will have another establishment Democratic president opposed to such a system, so it looks like we will have to drown in our own beureaucratic mess of rising costs and health insurance industry cronyism for at least another 4-8 years before we can begin really trying to solve this issue. But it's just such a complicated mess right now.

while i agree with this i'd hope you aren't foolish enough to think we could make an omelet without cracking the eggs. Sure its only a small step that cost perhaps more than its worth, usually the first step is riddled with problems. And the companies retain a high profit, shocker that they wouldn't accept their industry crumbling over night. And given the challenges HRC's stance should be seen as a politically expedient one IMO, not her personal stance whatever the hell that is. In short, its shitty because it has to be shitty. A perfect system out of the gates was never possible.