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Jul 19 2016 11:59am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 19 2016 12:31pm)
Islam and western culture are incompatible...that's not being bigoted just fact. That's why we are witnessing the plethora of attacks by Muslims in Europe. Islam by its very nature is intolerant of anyone outside the adhered form of Islam (ex. Sunni). Even in peaciful Muslim nations, the minority religious sects are oppressed. Look at the gulf states and the way they treat Shias. Look at Afghanistan and they way the Pashtuns (Sunni) used to treat the Hazara (shia) minorities. Or Iran, Iraq, Syria( Shia controlled) and the way they treat Sunnis. I can keep going but hopefully you get the point.

I get that people think it's some sort of virtue to be politically correct and tolerant( even of people & cultures that are the antithesis of your tolerant way of life and despise your way of life) but it's time to smell the coffee friend. The west isn't responsible for this savagery.


Statistics show that Muslims in the US are are no different than whites or Asians.

The sky isn't falling. We are living in the safest time period in human history.

Violent Crime is nearing an almost 50% drop since 1990.
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Jul 19 2016 12:03pm
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Statistics show that Muslims in the US are are no different than whites or Asians.

The sky isn't falling. We are living in the safest time period in human history.

Violent Crime is nearing an almost 50% drop since 1990.


But we're wired to be constantly externally threatened, so we need SOMETHING to fill the void, geez
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Jul 19 2016 12:29pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 19 Jul 2016 18:31)
Islam and western culture are incompatible...that's not being bigoted just fact. That's why we are witnessing the plethora of attacks by Muslims in Europe. Islam by its very nature is intolerant of anyone outside the adhered form of Islam (ex. Sunni). Even in peaciful Muslim nations, the minority religious sects are oppressed. Look at the gulf states and the way they treat Shias. Look at Afghanistan and they way the Pashtuns (Sunni) used to treat the Hazara (shia) minorities. Or Iran, Iraq, Syria( Shia controlled) and the way they treat Sunnis. I can keep going but hopefully you get the point.

I get that people think it's some sort of virtue to be politically correct and tolerant( even of people & cultures that are the antithesis of your tolerant way of life and despise your way of life) but it's time to smell the coffee friend. The west isn't responsible for this savagery.


"islam and western culture are incompatible" - this is just another blanket statement which is true for some cases (radical & conservative muslims) and false for others (moderate muslims).

"the west isn't responsible for this savagery" - no, we clearly are not. we aren't responsible for these fanatic and mislead individuals. we aren't responsible for their fanatic leaders feeding them anti west and anti non-believers propaganda, manipulating and radicalising them in the worst possible way. and we aren't responsible for the ultra conservative set of values and views, many of them grew up with that made them prone to this kind of manipulation and radical ideas either - this is the point where i DO blame how islam is predominantly taught in those regions.
it would be highly naive, however, to pretend all of this happens out of thin air. we (mainly america tbf) ARE responsible for waging (unjustified) war against these countries, destabilising the region, leaving behind a massive power vacuum which allowed a group like ISIS to rise and exploit the situation. we ARE responsible for killing thousands of innocent civilians, which clearly helps the radicals recruit people who would have never "joined" their cause or radicalised into potential murderers if they didn't have the impression that the west came to their countries to wage war against all muslims.

again, to just say "the west was responsible for these attacks" is wrong. our involvement, however, is a factor - and denying that, laying ALL the blame upon someone else, might be a convenient thing to do but the world isn't that black and white. sorry if this is news to you...

this has nothing to do with being "politically correct" btw. at least not the way this phrase is used today, as some kind of insult, implying someone is detached from reality and ignores the realities of the bad things that happen, just not to offend anyone. no, this kind of "pc" is just as hurtful and retarded as the other side's blatant racism and black and white mentality, they try to sugarcoat as "not being naive and politically correct". both is stupid and naive and certainly not helpful if you're trying to find actual solutions for problems, rather than shifting blame or trying to gain (political) favour...
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Jul 19 2016 04:10pm
Nice post Fender. Especially from your German perspective ;)

I am somewhat wondering how much different our "western civilization" was 100 years ago, from many middle eastern civilizations right now. We've had ethnic oppression, brutality and ethnic cleansing, reduced women rights (no voting in some countries), no gay rights. We had barely passed burning witches and having slaves. We have not been "western" for that long. The morals and wisdom we have acquired seems to me, to be very closely related to having high relative wealth, afterwards education, intense horror (wwI & II) and a long time of "peace" afterwards. This is where democracy seems to have benefited as well. Pushing governments to govern more for the ppl. Making the common ppl think about the society they want to create.. We've accomplished quite a bit in the past 100 years.. And yet, we still oppress, we still have racism, sex inequality, pollution, support poor working conditions for cheap labor. Still wage wars with false information from our governments.

What I'm trying to say it that we should not condone any brutality in our countries by anyone. Yet, ppl seem to be comparing our western view to the rest of the world. Is it fair to compare our morals to most people living under the Islam (middle eastern dictatorship)? Imagine the propaganda shitstorm when you push a dictator ? (Or half dictators like Erdogan). Our governments are pushing exactly these dictators. How much different would we have been, when we'd live in a dictatorship ? And someone pushed us (911) ?
How much we try to look better, we are still so much alike.

If we could divert the time, the money and the media we spend on all the horrors we see on the world, and put it into work on actually improving it.. Imagine where we could have been. Imagine how our less hateful attitude alone, could reduce many of the problems.
Or am I the one who is mentally ill ? ^^

This post was edited by Knaapie on Jul 19 2016 04:17pm
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Quote (EA7 @ 19 Jul 2016 05:14)
Reports are now saying he shouted "Allahua Akbar" before murdering people, and they found an ISIS flag in his apartment.

Now, let's watch liberals try to explain that he was "mentally ill" and that there's "no evidence of him being Islamic"


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Quote (Knaapie @ 19 Jul 2016 17:10)
Nice post Fender. Especially from your German perspective ;)

I am somewhat wondering how much different our "western civilization" was 100 years ago, from many middle eastern civilizations right now. We've had ethnic oppression, brutality and ethnic cleansing, reduced women rights (no voting in some countries), no gay rights. We had barely passed burning witches and having slaves. We have not been "western" for that long. The morals and wisdom we have acquired seems to me, to be very closely related to having high relative wealth, afterwards education, intense horror (wwI & II) and a long time of "peace" afterwards. This is where democracy seems to have benefited as well. Pushing governments to govern more for the ppl. Making the common ppl think about the society they want to create.. We've accomplished quite a bit in the past 100 years.. And yet, we still oppress, we still have racism, sex inequality, pollution, support poor working conditions for cheap labor. Still wage wars with false information from our governments.

What I'm trying to say it that we should not condone any brutality in our countries by anyone. Yet, ppl seem to be comparing our western view to the rest of the world. Is it fair to compare our morals to most people living under the Islam (middle eastern dictatorship)? Imagine the propaganda shitstorm when you push a dictator ? (Or half dictators like Erdogan). Our governments are pushing exactly these dictators. How much different would we have been, when we'd live in a dictatorship ? And someone pushed us (911) ?
How much we try to look better, we are still so much alike.

If we could divert the time, the money and the media we spend on all the horrors we see on the world, and put it into work on actually improving it.. Imagine where we could have been. Imagine how our less hateful attitude alone, could reduce many of the problems.
Or am I the one who is mentally ill ? ^^



Civilization is something yo work for, not something we've achieved.
Just because evolution has a path set in stone, our law is only imaginary and imaginative or diplomatic evolution can take 2 steps back for every one step forward.

If we know the only direction mankind goes in, I say we double time.
:evil:

This post was edited by MaliceMizer on Jul 19 2016 04:57pm
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Jul 19 2016 05:30pm
The Clash of Civilizations is inevitable.

Europe will be the center of it.
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Jul 20 2016 04:36pm
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The Clash of Civilizations is inevitable.

Europe will be the center of it.


I'll fight for Europe when it has to be done, no worries there.
Before that, I'll choose to fight for peace and a better world ^^
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Jul 20 2016 11:08pm
Quote (Knaapie @ 20 Jul 2016 17:36)
I'll fight for Europe when it has to be done, no worries there.
Before that, I'll choose to fight for peace and a better world ^^


World peace not possible under the installment of debt banks.

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Jul 21 2016 05:58am
Quote (MaliceMizer @ 21 Jul 2016 06:08)
World peace not possible under the installment of debt banks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9f3UfNzrcg


Lol, explaining world peace for republican Americans: "peace is not love, it is something stronger: it's business".
Cute scetch. Nothing to support "a debt bank to be the evil of your world". You'll need to do better.. (or rather leave it as it is, for peace ;) )

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Jul 21 2016 07:20am
Quote (MaliceMizer @ Jul 21 2016 12:08am)
World peace not possible under the installment of debt banks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9f3UfNzrcg


This is true.

Gotta love how the colonial powers showed up, enslaved the people, took everything of value, and left with a bill. Capitalism is grand.
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