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Mar 20 2016 01:34pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 20 2016 10:40am)
I have a conflicted view of shaming. As a whole I think a society makes itself stronger by shaming bad behavior, whether it be overeating, drug use, excessive alcohol consumption, infidelity, dishonesty, laziness, etc. As Aristotle said, tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.

On the other hand, if someone close to me is consistently engaging in bad behavior, I'm never going to shame them. It's just not in my genes. I'll bring the issue up in a nonjudgmental, concerned way. That said, I think shaming is done in a more passive way now, which is both good and bad. For instance, compare how a store clerk treats an obese person vs an attractive person. Compare how they treat a flamboyant gay man vs a straight man.




Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 20 2016 11:00am)
I'd need to see the data on how much it helps. It's definitely gratifying though, but I'm a bit of a sadist.


It might help some people, but a lot of people are emotional eaters and that wouldn't be helpful to people like that.

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Mar 20 2016 12:04pm)
We should definitely shame smokers, and anyone who drinks more than 5 drinks every other week, and anyone else who's making unhealthy choices, because we're all super concerned about peoples' health.


Feeling the shame already :cry:
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Mar 20 2016 01:35pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Mar 20 2016 01:28pm)
No, it's saying that different people are in different places in their lives and that pretending that social pressure that's going to pile more self-loathing on them is going to help them get out of a shitty place is fucking ridiculous.

This is just an excuse to be a smug jackass, let's be honest.


No, its an attempt by bleeding heart liberals to create a "fat acceptance movement". Thats what they call themselves. They want to relieve the social pressure and shaming they experience, not fight against "piling on more"
I support shaming addicts and tubbies because its constructive and provides the impetus for self improvement. I support medicating and operating on physical ailments, too.
I don't support a doctor lopping off someones arm willy nilly when they come in for a cold or proscribing them a regimen of cyanide any more than I support harassing and hounding fatties until they kill themselves.

We create positive social pressure when our role models are fit, when 'sexy' promotes a healthy lifestyle. Thats evolutionary motivation working for the better, good for it.
When a bunch of whales try to subvert social norms by saying we must accept fat models and create safe spaces where fatties can't have their feeling hurt and live in bubbles- thats doing harm.

I'm particularly fond of the ThInnerBeauty / Project Harpoon movement that developed in reaction to fat-acceptance pressure on the video games industry. It shows how social pressure and shaming can be a force to inspire and promote healthy living.
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Mar 20 2016 01:36pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 20 2016 03:30pm)
So your fat friend had an emotional disorder, no wonder you two were such great friends :wacko:


...yes , my morbidly obese friend had an emotional disorder in regard to his relationship with food as do most , if not all , morbidly obese obese people excluding those with underlying physical food processing disorders . This should not be a surprise to any educated person in the 21st century .
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Mar 20 2016 01:37pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 01:29pm)
...we don't shame cancer patients into chemotherapy .


cancer isn't a mental disease you can will away. Obesity and addiction are both mental and physical.
Getting your ass off a sofa, going outside and eating less fried foods is all it takes to solve 75% of the health problems in america today

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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 03:35pm)
No, its an attempt by bleeding heart liberals to create a "fat acceptance movement". Thats what they call themselves. They want to relieve the social pressure and shaming they experience, not fight against "piling on more"
I support shaming addicts and tubbies because its constructive and provides the impetus for self improvement. I support medicating and operating on physical ailments, too.
I don't support a doctor lopping off someones arm willy nilly when they come in for a cold or proscribing them a regimen of cyanide any more than I support harassing and hounding fatties until they kill themselves.

We create positive social pressure when our role models are fit, when 'sexy' promotes a healthy lifestyle. Thats evolutionary motivation working for the better, good for it.
When a bunch of whales try to subvert social norms by saying we must accept fat models and create safe spaces where fatties can't have their feeling hurt and live in bubbles- thats doing harm.

I'm particularly fond of the ThInnerBeauty / Project Harpoon movement that developed in reaction to fat-acceptance pressure on the video games industry. It shows how social pressure and shaming can be a force to inspire and promote healthy living.


...the " fat acceptance movement " comes and goes over time throughout our history . Obesity was once a sign of wealth and position and of course the Rubenesque female form was once the ideal .

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Mar 20 2016 01:41pm
Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Mar 20 2016 02:54pm)
I don't think people should be shamed, but it troubles me that posting half naked selfies of your morbidly obese ass is considered 'brave'.


Man the harpoons!

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 20 2016 02:41pm)
I am definitely not a romantic, but my wife is basically deaf to romance so it works out. I'm INTP, she's INFJ. Same approach, but she's more emotionally aware than I am, and I'm more rationally aware than she is.


Id be interested to compare the myer briggs to astrology. Your horoscope already says that about you.
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Mar 20 2016 01:42pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 03:37pm)
cancer isn't a mental disease you can will away. Obesity and addiction are both mental and physical.
Getting your ass off a sofa, going outside and eating less fried foods is all it takes to solve 75% of the health problems in america today


...trying to use will power to overcome addiction is the same as trying to use it to stop a bad case of the runs .
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Mar 20 2016 01:44pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 20 2016 02:41pm)
I am definitely not a romantic, but my wife is basically deaf to romance so it works out. I'm INTP, she's INFJ. Same approach, but she's more emotionally aware than I am, and I'm more rationally aware than she is.


...when you're reasons to get married sound like a GEICO commercial you are definitely not :lol:
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Mar 20 2016 01:46pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:36pm)
...yes , my morbidly obese friend had an emotional disorder in regard to his relationship with food as do most , if not all , morbidly obese obese people excluding those with underlying physical food processing disorders . This should not be a surprise to any educated person in the 21st century .


your suggesting that all morbidly obese people have an emotional disorder is trying to imply that all obese people have an emotional disorder which is actually trying to put the blame solely on the individual and is totally trying to shame them which you said is wrong. You're just a ball of hypocrisy hiding behind the bible.
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Mar 20 2016 01:46pm
there can be a happy medium where we don't have to overtly shame them but also we don't have to accept them being "loud and proud" about their bodies.
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