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But the idea that matter as we know it came into existence out of nothing is even more illogical than if it was God who created everything.
No it isn't;
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Nothing can't create something.
there are different sorts of "nothing", and if we can find perfect evidence or information that shows how or why universes begin, you can always say that it's actually God behind it and not need to change/update your belief, without finding any evidence or information that describes God.
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he sort of energy that quarks etc. are made of must have come from a different source than we know of.
It probably does. There may not be a smallest or most elemntary particle; we just don't have any tools that can look at a smaller level. You can assume right now that God is what "powers" quarks, just as you could have assumed God is what powered subatomic particles before quarks were discovered.
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Life itself, DNA, RNA, amino acids, and the whole way cells works together and communicate... How can you be so convinced that information like DNA has evolved by itself?
Four billion years of random changes where only changes that are adaptive to different environments persist should definitely be able to produce something this complex.
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Right now in the way the system is we're isolating ourselves and we treat other people like they are not even human beings. Because peoples conciousness has been toxicated for so long and live by their primitive senses and not the once that make them unique and human.
The way human beings treat human beings is the way that we treat human beings, so it makes no sense for you to say we don't treat people as human beings, only that humans don't treat each other according to some ideal you made up or follow. "Consciousness being 'toxicated'" is just babble without explaining what you mean.
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People even laugh about the idea of a creator even though it sounds even more possible than the scientific explanations. Science leads nowhere in a direction of hope where as belief leads directly to the source of all hope.
You misunderstand completely. The idea of a creator is compatible with absolutely every scientific explanation. Look at what Widow has posted, for example. He believes in God and believes in the scientific explanations for natural phenomena. And again you make no sense by saying science leads nowhere in a direction of hope. Scientific inquiry and discovery have lead us to advancements that give us all sorts of hope we could have never obtained through only belief in God. You can believe in God as something outside of the physical realm, which may give you hope for experiences after the end of life, and still examine the physical world with science to give you hope for your experiences during your current life, and we can be absolutely certain about the latter.
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My take on this is that only through Jesus Christ are we saved from this world and from spending an eternity away from the presence of God. That might sound unfair to someone who is not believing but it's something that you choose by your own free will. There's even a bunch of prophecies about the coming of Jesus hundreds of years before he was born
Mine is different and yours is very unconvincing to me. Through the same logical thinking and boundaries of your cognition you reasoned that you need to be a Christian to find eternal salvation, I reasoned that afterlife, eternal suffering, etc. make no sense.
This post was edited by Nathan on Feb 3 2016 01:18pm