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Sep 28 2015 04:14pm
Quote (CarsV @ Sep 29 2015 12:02am)
It's interesting how that works, isn't it? You see this phenomenon in the US, too. In Europe, countries such as Austria, Hungary, Poland, Serbia, etc., are not thrilled about what's happening, all the while people who don't live near these most affected hot-zones, such as the UK, Sweden, Netherlands, are shaking their fingers in disgust and lecturing them on being xenophobes, racists, or whatever other easy method of squelching opposition they can think up. In America, US citizens along the border states are not happy about illegal immigration, but you'll have people living in Seattle, Berkley, Massachusetts, New York, etc., people who aren't affected day-to-day, lecturing and determining how things should be for everyone else.

Make people like Scaly and Valhalls_Sun suddenly responsible for providing welfare for some refugees and I guarantee their attitude would change. It's all about them being able to stand up, thump their chests, and look like the they're the ones with the bigger hearts than everyone else... just as long as they have nothing at stake and it's someone else bearing the burden.


I'd say that havin a "big heart" pretty much always goes with having a small brain or not having it at all.
These guys here want to save the whole world forgetting about their own people and themselves. This is a destructive logic
Poland is a 1000 year country, we got baptised in 966, my grandparents fought in 2 world wars for this country so i could live peacefully.. I'm going to do everything to honor that.
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Sep 28 2015 04:30pm
Quote (GraySmoke @ Sep 29 2015 12:08am)
Many muslims are guided by tradition and culture, which are derived from the the Quran but don't 100% reflect it (which is almost impossible anyway because it's a 2000 year book and all).

Some locations in the world have more radical traditions and cultural activities which are not derived from the Quran.
They might have come from the Prophet, his companians, or other cultural leaders throughout history. People who make mistakes and are sometimes misguided by human nature.

Anyway, the point is Radical islamists are not followers of the Quran. They may say they are, but they are not. They actually are.. just twist it some



What m8?
This might be true in radically controlled lands such as.. Syria where millions of refugees are escaping such radical communities such as ISIS which by no means reflect Islam or the Quran.



yes



Let's do it together


already read it but apparently you didn't so im encouraging you to do it and think less liberal and more realistic
mind that there are different quaran translations so get yourself a proper one, i did and i have my conlusion, its fucking evil
so go ahead make your own conclusions instead of yapping what you heard in media for people such as yourself
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Sep 28 2015 04:33pm
Quote (dro94 @ Sep 28 2015 06:12pm)
They follow the Quran's teachings in a twisted and selective way. All religious people cherrypick the parts that suit their agenda. It just so happens that their agenda is to kill lots of people. But don't try and insinuate that they don't follow the Quran, it's mixing fact with opinion but without the honesty of making a distinction.


true, my mistake

Quote (pakko @ Sep 28 2015 06:14pm)
I'd say that havin a "big heart" pretty much always goes with having a small brain or not having it at all.
These guys here want to save the whole world forgetting about their own people and themselves. This is a destructive logic
Poland is a 1000 year country, we got baptised in 966, my grandparents fought in 2 world wars for this country so i could live peacefully.. I'm going to do everything to honor that.


I can kinda see where you're coming from.

If a huge influx of mexican migrants started to come into the United States, a huge swarm of controversy and racism would start in opposition of the migrants.

The racism and public detest towards those "dirty mexicans" would 100% be there.

But why is it necessary for the racism to be there?
Why do such migrants have to be diminished of social status, mocked, and insulted?
Why does any racial class that mass migrates to an area have to become a target of hate?

It's a part of human nature probably. If Christians were to migrate to a dominantly muslim area the same hate towards Christians would be there. Mexicans to America. Muslims to Europe. The hate is always the same.

I think it's important to realize that finding migrants unpleasant is normal and probably a part of human nature. But there's no need to actively spew hate against them.. it's always possible to voice discern in a respectable way.
Bonus points if you can overcome human nature and accept different racial groups as all human and overcome human instincts to diminish other humans just because of their race or yours.

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Sep 29 2015 01:16am
Quote (dro94 @ Sep 28 2015 01:11pm)
Some Muslims don't embrace democratic values, though. The call for cartoonists to be killed is an example.

When they are the minority in Christian countries, all is good and they enjoy the right of free speech. When they are the majority, women are oppressed and free speech stifled.


I feel like those assholes are everywhere no matter what. I feel like we already have people like that religion aside. The percentage of these people would probably not go up with the influx of people. It sucks. Russia, Syria, Iran, and Iraq just signed a security pact to deal with ISIL, maybe something will come about that.

But every wave of immigrant that came here was treated like shit...less than roaches. No reason to expect any different anywhere else. It is like an invasion of otherness. We weren't too nice to the Poles themselves when they came here...or Irish, or Italians, especially the Chinese. Immigration is painful. This just seems like a heavy handed way to deal with people in the worse need imaginable.

There is this false narrative that these people are attacking Europe to destroy its culture, and they are just running for their lives. Nobody does the sort of thing they're doing unless they have too. This is literally mass migration. The race benefits from this sort of thing. Evolution at work.

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It's interesting how that works, isn't it? You see this phenomenon in the US, too. In Europe, countries such as Austria, Hungary, Poland, Serbia, etc., are not thrilled about what's happening, all the while people who don't live near these most affected hot-zones, such as the UK, Sweden, Netherlands, are shaking their fingers in disgust and lecturing them on being xenophobes, racists, or whatever other easy method of squelching opposition they can think up. In America, US citizens along the border states are not happy about illegal immigration, but you'll have people living in Seattle, Berkley, Massachusetts, New York, etc., people who aren't affected day-to-day, lecturing and determining how things should be for everyone else.

Make people like Scaly and Valhalls_Sun suddenly responsible for providing welfare for some refugees and I guarantee their attitude would change. It's all about them being able to stand up, thump their chests, and look like the they're the ones with the bigger hearts than everyone else... just as long as they have nothing at stake and it's someone else bearing the burden.


It's funny how liberals are labeled as the emotional ones the ones with the tender feelings but 9/10 it's the conservative that gets nasty and personal first when you disagree. So Kyle/Josh you think that only those who are actually housing refugees should have a say? you got some nice blocks of text written about immigrants. How many do you have that you are responsible for?:



Quote (pakko @ 28 Sep 2015 17:14)
I'd say that havin a "big heart" pretty much always goes with having a small brain or not having it at all.
These guys here want to save the whole world forgetting about their own people and themselves. This is a destructive logic
Poland is a 1000 year country, we got baptised in 966, my grandparents fought in 2 world wars for this country so i could live peacefully.. I'm going to do everything to honor that.


What the f___... oh I didn't see the nationality at first nvrmd. :rofl:
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Sep 29 2015 03:48am
muh national identity!!1!!
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Sep 29 2015 03:49am
Quote (GraySmoke @ Sep 29 2015 12:33am)
true, my mistake



I can kinda see where you're coming from.

If a huge influx of mexican migrants started to come into the United States, a huge swarm of controversy and racism would start in opposition of the migrants.

The racism and public detest towards those "dirty mexicans" would 100% be there.

But why is it necessary for the racism to be there?
Why do such migrants have to be diminished of social status, mocked, and insulted?
Why does any racial class that mass migrates to an area have to become a target of hate?

It's a part of human nature probably. If Christians were to migrate to a dominantly muslim area the same hate towards Christians would be there. Mexicans to America. Muslims to Europe. The hate is always the same.

I think it's important to realize that finding migrants unpleasant is normal and probably a part of human nature. But there's no need to actively spew hate against them.. it's always possible to voice discern in a respectable way.
Bonus points if you can overcome human nature and accept different racial groups as all human and overcome human instincts to diminish other humans just because of their race or yours.


I have nothing against this people, they can come here on their vacation whatever, I'll be happy to visit their country, eat their foods etc., we can trade goods, make partnerships..
I have nothing against them as long as they dont flood my country without my permission and when I'm against it and especially when a bunch of euro leftists which I never supported and never will, force me to accept them.
This is my home and I decide who I let in. Millions of muslims won't step in and my point of view is shared by almost 100% of the 38 million society. I don't care if you call me raciss, this is my country and I make rules in it.
ZERO muslim immigrants, literally.
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Sep 29 2015 03:54am
Quote (pakko @ 29 Sep 2015 03:49)
I have nothing against this people, they can come here on their vacation whatever, I'll be happy to visit their country, eat their foods etc., we can trade goods, make partnerships..
I have nothing against them as long as they dont flood my country without my permission and when I'm against it and especially when a bunch of euro leftists which I never supported and never will, force me to accept them.
This is my home and I decide who I let in. Millions of muslims won't step in and my point of view is shared by almost 100% of the 38 million society. I don't care if you call me raciss, this is my country and I make rules in it.
ZERO muslim immigrants, literally.


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Sep 29 2015 05:34am
Pol bro preaching out the truth. People here don't want muslim scum and their sick beliefs.
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Sep 29 2015 05:42am
i dont mind mozies as long as they keep quite and appreciate , when they start to bitch about their rights and shit and act like they fucking own everything thats when its gets fucking annoying

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