Abortion. A Complicated Philosophical Issue. - Topic

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Oct 3 2014 08:41am

Quote (Skinned @ Oct 3 2014 05:32am)

The anti-abortion movement in the US is more about social control of women than it is saving babies. Male control of female reproduction has always been a major historical conflict.

This.

Pack it up boys, threads over.

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Oct 3 2014 08:44am

Quote (Morphmcmanerson @ Oct 3 2014 09:41am)

This.

Pack it up boys, threads over.

You'd think anti abortion would mean pro birth control but that is not the case :/

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Oct 3 2014 09:20am

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I would say that my morality in most other questions hinges on the least possible suffering caused... but of course if you take that to it's conclusion then that means that abortion is always morally preferable as if a creature does not live then it cannot suffer. I think more so there has to be a balance. Potential is important imo... If a man will suffer greatly but has the potential to do something great, and wants to, then I would say it is often our moral duty to allow him and indeed support him on that path - even if all he attains is suffering. Reducing this to the question of life. A blastocyst has the potential to become something great - a happy, healthy, human being - when it doesn't, such as in the case of extreme deformity or poverty, then I would support abortion.

I honestly don't think that there can be a blanket statement on abortion being right or wrong and I would agree that it has to be judged on a case by case basis.

By whom?

honestly who do we let judge, even on a case by case basis? should each abortion applicant be brought before a real judge? or a board of ethics? a panel made up of their peers? I'm not trying to troll or be a smart-ass this question is real and the root of some hellacious family fights... I really don't know if there is a right answer and if there isn't then shouldn't the question go back to the woman?

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Oct 3 2014 09:25am

Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Oct 3 2014 11:20am)

Scaly

By whom?

honestly who do we let judge, even on a case by case basis? should each abortion applicant be brought before a real judge? or a board of ethics? a panel made up of their peers? I'm not trying to troll or be a smart-ass this question is real and the root of some hellacious family fights... I really don't know if there is a right answer and if there isn't then shouldn't the question go back to the woman?

Yes, even if ethically we ought to judge on a case-by-case basis, this is impractical in law. I'm not sure what the best solution is.

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Oct 3 2014 09:25am

Quote (Voyaging @ Oct 2 2014 10:07pm)

Yes, I would mostly agree. Perhaps I misunderstood your point, but I think "conscience" is often an important factor in acting morally.

However, we need to be careful, because we are subject to anthropic bias in every moment of our lives. Very frequently what we feel is moral isn't.

I agree.

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Do we have any women posters in here?

Its always men discussing it in here, same dead ends and arguments every time

Vivienne is sort of a woman.

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Oct 3 2014 09:32am

For me it's when the fetus is able to survive on it's own outside the woman's body . When it is no longer a parasitic life form that requires the mother ...

Like most people though I have a personal emotional investment in life from conception that was instilled in me by people around me and religious doctrine

At the end of the day though it should never be for someone else to decide what a woman does with her body

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Oct 3 2014 10:00am

Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ 3 Oct 2014 15:20)

I'm not talking about judgement in a legal manner. I'm talking about how we as people view the action - as moral or immoral. Whether or not that can be practically translated into law is another (but still important) subject.

By and large and except in extreme cases (such as babies that will be born with extreme defects causing them to suffer intensely before dying within a few days) I think our judgement on the morality or immorality of the action is not rational enough that it can be enforced upon the woman making the decision.

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Oct 3 2014 10:28am

it should be made compulsory.

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Oct 3 2014 10:35am

Maybe it's on mother's authority till the umbilical cord get cut... lol.
At this point mothers doing mistakes would have to live with it in mind for the rest of their life.

About religions, those are supposed to bring some order, discipline, moral, structures, but at the end of the line i only see wars, extremism, sexism, loss of liberties...
Pretty depressing.

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Oct 3 2014 11:05am

To me abortion should only be done in very extreme cases. By extreme case I am alluding to situations involving rape.

And even then, I think the female alone should decide if she wants to abort it or not. Unfortunately external influences will be on her but that's my stance.

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