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Sep 13 2014 12:20pm
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 13 2014 06:58am)
If you hit your children you are guilty of child abuse. That's it really. There is no oh but it was only a spanking. The bruises went away after a couple of days... It's abuse. Full stop. Anyone who hits their kids deserves to be prosecuted and have their children taken into care.


No you're not. I'd argue that taking away their favorite toy or forcing them to not be with their friends is more detrimental than a quick swat on the butt.
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Sep 13 2014 12:22pm
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where do you draw the line?


When you leave marks detectable hours later. That is the difference.
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Sep 13 2014 12:27pm
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When you leave marks detectable hours later.  That is the difference.


White people show spank marks more easily. That's an unfair metric.
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Sep 13 2014 12:45pm
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White people show spank marks more easily. That's an unfair metric.


Counterbalance for the privilege I guess.

Don't worry, CPS treats whites better than blacks on average, like most bureaucratic institutions in America :lol:
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Sep 13 2014 12:48pm
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No you're not. I'd argue that taking away their favorite toy or forcing them to not be with their friends is more detrimental than a quick swat on the butt.


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No... It teaches them their actions have consequences. Violence simply teaches them that if someone pisses you off you should hit them.

If you slap an adult on the arse it's assault (in some cases sexual assault). If you slap a kid on the arse it's assault. Assaulting a child is child abuse. There's nothing else for me to say on the subject really. It doesn't make it any less of a crime because it's being committed against a minor. If anything that makes it worse.
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Sep 13 2014 12:53pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Sep 13 2014 12:18pm)
clearly to mention "non deadly force" when talking about spanking delineates that the line between spanking and child abuse is much closer than you care to admit.


No, it shows I'm capable of googling texas state law and paraphrasing it. "Non-deadly force" is the exact phrase used.

Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code § 261.001. [Civil Code] Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal § 9.61. [Criminal Code]

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When you leave marks detectable hours later.  That is the difference.


And precedent unambiguously states that leaving marks is not a bar set for the line between spanking and child abuse

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If you slap an adult on the arse it's assault (in some cases sexual assault). If you slap a kid on the arse it's assault. Assaulting a child is child abuse. There's nothing else for me to say on the subject really. It doesn't make it any less of a crime because it's being committed against a minor. If anything that makes it worse.


No, its specifically not a crime. A parent, legal guardian or person in position of authority is allowed to discipline a minor physically, so long as its reasonable.
What you call "assaulting a child" is not a crime nor is it classified as assault. You better find plenty more on the subject, because spanking is protected by law in pretty much every state
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Sep 13 2014 12:53pm
...I remember showing my son why I chose not to employ corporal punishment with him and we laugh about it to this day ( and it worked ) :thumbsup:
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Sep 13 2014 12:55pm
I think corporal punishment isn't necessary to raise your children but also think it isn't very likely to cause permanent trauma. (at least the ol' slap on the wrist and stuff)
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Sep 13 2014 12:56pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 13 2014 01:53pm)
And precedent unambiguously states that leaving marks is not a bar set for the line between spanking and child abuse


What precedent? Show me.

My dad hit me with a leather belt, I don't beat my kids, and so far they are turning out much better than me.

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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 13 2014 12:53pm)
...I remember showing my son why I chose not to employ corporal punishment with him and we laugh about it to this day ( and it worked )  :thumbsup:


You have a beef with proverbs 13:24?
Solomon has a bone to pick with you
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