I tried my best to answer your question in the post before this.

To my observation. Mortal sins strongly separates us from the Gifts of the Spirit, seeing miracles, and prophetic words. It doesn't kill our salvation. Repenting of these sins allows the person to begin growing closer to God again.

IMO what makes mortal sin a mortal sin, is not the sin itself, but actually rejecting god and refusing to repent until you die.

it is not that you can repent a mortal sin, but that if you are willing to repent it, it can no longer be called a mortal sin.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Jun 26 2014 04:09am

also, there are lots of arguments against 'healings' including from very christian groups: http://www.bible.ca/tongues-benny-hinn-ministries-fake-fraud-miracles-healing-prayer.htm[/QUOTE]

I am sad to say that Yes there are ministries of healing that are frauds. I am saddened by them more then most Christians because I have seen them happen personally and on missions. I don't know about Benny Hinn ministries, but I can tell you of many ministries that are honest healing ministries that actually see the power of God. I feel like rejecting gifts such as healing and prophecy is really stupid since we are suppose to eagerly desire them...especially prophecy. What do I mean by prophecy? Hearing God and speaking it out. That can be something as simple as :" Hey God, What do you think about Jill? I feel like she is having a bad day" *person thinks of a random verse of the bible they don't know/do know.* They walk out in faith and share it with Jill...that's all prophecy is. Healing are throughout the bible. Healing are done by the 12 disciples and even when Jesus sent out the 72. To think it is something that only the 12 can do is silly.

It's a fair statement. I presented a little of what I could in that lengthy discussion on losing salvation. I know what I won't be close enough to that line to worry about it.

what do you think about:

Mathew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Jun 26 2014 04:14am

I completely agree with it...=)

If a Buddhist walks up to a injured person and says "in the name of Jesus, get up." God is looking down and thinks, if this person gets up then the lame person will love my Son more. So I will grant it even just to save the injured person. But yea I completely think that non-Christians can see miracles. Miracles are not done because of our holiness, but our faith is a vehicle God can work through. That is why I think it is bout a personal relationship with God. Some people can get wrapped up in just seeing the miracles and they stop actually chasing after God and they start chasing after what he can do.
If you are referring to the break the law part...I am pretty sure he is referring to people who continue to choose to break the law. If you are saved, you are at least choosing to try not to. I have been in addiction and I know what it feels like to want to do one thing and actually do another. I don't think that is what he is referring to.

This post was edited by wofire on Jun 26 2014 04:20am

no need to respond to your long post since you have put it into a nutshell here



methinks the bolded represents the typical pick and chose of those who want to abrogate personal responsibility
but having said that, it is your right to do that if it makes you happy
does it truly make you a christian?

since it does not bother me, i leave this question open

there is absolutely no need for you to respond to this post
enjoy your belief

Am I saying that I put aside responsibility? How about you respond to me with the verses you can come up with that point to it? You question my salvation because I believe I can't lose mine. Does that mean that I lose my salvation because I don't understand a single aspect of God's plan?! Surely not! If we must fully understand God in order to be saved, then we are all screwed. In fact it was Paul who said that "When I was among you, I didn't come with wise words, but I cam in humility and only spoke of Christ crucified." Let me some that up. I can have an IQ of 60, and only understand the basic gospel and have enough knowledge to be saved.

google mortal sin, it seems like you lack the information necessary to have this conversation.


the only reason you cant ever repent something and save yourself as a Christian, is because your dead.


its not a mortal sin because it involves mortals or morals, its a mortal sin because you carry it unrepented to the grave.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Jun 26 2014 04:38am