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Jun 7 2013 10:54pm
Quote (JEB90 @ Jun 7 2013 05:33pm)
Do you really think I agree with every bit of legislation that Republicans have passed (or Democrats for that matter)?  Serious question: isn't the function of a representative democracy supposed to be that the majority gets to pass laws as long as they don't violate the applicable constitutions?  If you are in the minority, and the majority passes a constitutional law, isn't your only reasonable alternative to do better in the next election?  You can't honestly tell me you are shortsighted enough to want to see the Balkanization of the US because small minority groups can't stand that US demographics are changing can you?

By the way, I don't seem to recall you having similar reservations when the governor of Wisconsin "lorded" his power over teachers unions.  You can't have it both ways.  If you want to rule when you win, you suck it up when you lose.


It certainly appears that a measure of Balkanization is already underway, and not just by "small minorities." Look no further than the Congress.

The governor of Wisconsin engaged the Democrats on the issue. Then the people's representative ran away. What did the Democrats in your statehouse do for those people's representatives and the utilities?
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Jun 7 2013 11:10pm
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It certainly appears that a measure of Balkanization is already underway, and not just by "small minorities." Look no further than the Congress.

The governor of Wisconsin engaged the Democrats on the issue. Then the people's representative ran away. What did the Democrats in your statehouse do for those people's representatives and the utilities?



You're right, of course. Republicans are always right and good; Democrats are always wrong and evil...
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Jun 7 2013 11:14pm
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You're right, of course.  Republicans are always right and good; Democrats are always wrong and evil...


I don't think that's what Santara is saying. Santara is about as far from establishment Republicans as you can get without leaving the party. He calls out Republicans for their corruption, tyranny and hypocrisy as well. And he has spoke highly of some Democrats as well, such as Dennis Kucinich, if I recall correctly.
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Jun 7 2013 11:30pm
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I don't think that's what Santara is saying. Santara is about as far from establishment Republicans as you can get without leaving the party. He calls out Republicans for their corruption, tyranny and hypocrisy as well. And he has spoke highly of some Democrats as well, such as Dennis Kucinich, if I recall correctly.


No, that's exactly what he's saying. When his side forces legislation through that the other side doesn't like, they can suck it. When the other side does it (and if you actually read about the grave injustices in question here they verge on the trivial) it's an assault on liberty, freedom, and the American way. People lose in politics. As long as the other side doesn't do anything unconstitutional, you have no complaint or recourse other than the ballot box. Anything else is just childish pique.
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Jun 7 2013 11:36pm
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When was the last time Republicans were in power in Colorado?


Just saw this. They had control of the statehouse for three decades up until 2004 (and had full-boat control for the 6 years prior to that point), and they won the State House back in 2010 before losing it back in 2012. They've held the State AG position for 18 of the last 24 years, the State Secretary office for 50 of the last 52 years, and the State Treasury office for 16 of the last 20 years. The Democrats are in the middle of 8-year GOV/LTGOV control, the Republicans had 8 years of control before that.

The GOP is in the minority, they're pissed about it, and rather than trying to be competitive on issues that the voters care about in the state they're nominating wingnut after wingnut. They can move to Kansas or they can figure out how to be competitive again in elections, because the way Colorado is being governed right now is just fine.

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Yes or no: urban Democrats enacted a law without inviting the people/industries involved to discuss it, a law that can be construed as punitive since it doesn't effect everyone equally?

By this justification you're alluding to, then you won't object when Republicans win majorities and pass laws that are de facto taxes on Democrats? Like an 8000% tax on patchouli oil?


The answer is no: http://kdvr.com/2013/05/15/hickenlooper-still-gathering-information-on-rural-energy-renewables-mandate/

Hickenlooper invited all parties to discuss it, and once he realized it would be a minimal sacrifice to improve the state's energy policy he went ahead with the S.B., and this is of course after all the rural representation had their turn. The minority needs stop whining and win an election if they're so unhappy, and they'd help themselves if they stopped nominating wingnuts. Nominating Tancredo again ensures the Democratic party will either retain it's strength or expand it next year.

Quote (SwaziSpring @ Jun 8 2013 01:14am)
I don't think that's what Santara is saying. Santara is about as far from establishment Republicans as you can get without leaving the party. He calls out Republicans for their corruption, tyranny and hypocrisy as well. And he has spoke highly of some Democrats as well, such as Dennis Kucinich, if I recall correctly.


Lol.

This post was edited by JayKwik on Jun 7 2013 11:36pm
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Jun 8 2013 10:21am
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D.C. really should be a state. It's unfair that it isn't seeing as how at the very least it has the population to warrant it, being larger than the population in two full states.

The only reason making it a state is problematic is because it's the seat of government.


Partisan hackery aside, it would destabilize the current political situation, especially if Puerto Rico is admitted as a state. Regardless of how much you despise the Republican Party, they represent a significant portion of Americans, and a change that leads to ~30% of the nation having no effective federal power would be enormously problematic for the status quo, and I'm not sure Independents would side with the Democrats on this if they were perceived to be "crushing" their opposition by non-electoral means.

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Jun 8 2013 02:23pm
It's stupid how right wingers think secession is the answer whenever democracy turn liberal. It's democracy for reason, majority of people choose liberalism. That's like spoiled kid who cries whenever nothing went his way. Deal it or move out of democracy society.
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Jun 8 2013 02:44pm
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It's stupid how right wingers think secession is the answer whenever democracy turn liberal. It's democracy for reason, majority of people choose liberalism. That's like spoiled kid who cries whenever nothing went his way. Deal it or move out of democracy society.


Yeah im sure "be oppressed or move out" is exactly the mentality the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution and made the USA a democratic REPUBLIC
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Jun 8 2013 07:55pm
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It's stupid how right wingers think secession is the answer whenever democracy turn liberal. It's democracy for reason, majority of people choose liberalism. That's like spoiled kid who cries whenever nothing went his way. Deal it or move out of democracy society.


We're not a democracy and never have been. We are a federal constitutional republic. We are nation of laws first-and-foremost. Democracy is tyranny.
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Jun 9 2013 01:38am
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