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Jun 10 2013 09:47pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 10 2013 08:46pm)
What you do online isn't private. Next. I see a real risk to letting a peeping Tom do that, actually, and it's a terrible analogy to compare a peeping Tom to the government.


So you're OK with a government agent watching you masturbate using the webcam on your laptop to see into your bedroom, but not OK with a guy standing at your window? Hm.
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Jun 10 2013 09:49pm
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So you're OK with a government agent watching you masturbate using the webcam on your laptop to see into your bedroom, but not OK with a guy standing at your window? Hm.

The government can do anything, they just have to put #national security at the end, and all the new age patriots will bow down.

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Jun 11 2013 05:41am
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...the PRISM program is the name given to the NSA monitoring of internet activity for the purpose of national security . As someone who always assumed the government would monitor the webs from day one and who also recognizes that planned terrorist attacks against the homeland have been averted I am not concerned in the least that the program exists ; in fact I support it . My real concern is who is leaking these top secret activities to the media and are we actively investigating this breach of of their confidentiality agreements and thereby alerting future attackers of an important tool we use to intercept their communications . Whoever is doing the leaking should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law .


You don't seem to consider the other end of the spectrum, where people and the government is far from perfect and is fully capable of abusing power and committing crimes against the people. You have to be cautious about certain steps government takes, its easier to keep up than to catch up...and if the government gets too out of control it can reach a state of no return; and a revolution would be necessary.

The way I see it is Prism is a core mechanism for having control over the people. It can be a means to get eyes everywhere, and can someday be used to suppress organized efforts to fight back against the government when it is getting out of hand...You're setup for tyranny.

I acknowledge your reasoning that it would be an effective anti-terrorism, but you have to do some cost-benefit analysis here....Is the risk of tyranny or the risk of a 3rd party hacking our prism system worth it?

On a side note, you don't need a system like prism to catch almost all terrorists. Terrorists are generally less intelligent and clouded by extremist hate.
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Jun 11 2013 06:51am
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You don't seem to consider the other end of the spectrum, where people and the government is far from perfect and is fully capable of abusing power and committing crimes against the people. You have to be cautious about certain steps government takes, its easier to keep up than to catch up...and if the government gets too out of control it can reach a state of no return; and a revolution would be necessary.

The way I see it is Prism is a core mechanism for having control over the people. It can be a means to get eyes everywhere, and can someday be used to suppress organized efforts to fight back against the government when it is getting out of hand...You're setup for tyranny.

I acknowledge your reasoning that it would be an effective anti-terrorism, but you have to do some cost-benefit analysis here....Is the risk of tyranny or the risk of a 3rd party hacking our prism system worth it?

On a side note, you don't need a system like prism to catch almost all terrorists. Terrorists are generally less intelligent and clouded by extremist hate.


this is basically happening with the IRS against opposition parties? on a low level, but its a demonstration on how such tools are used.
extend and ensure the power of those who are in charge at the moment.


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This doesn't surprise me at all.

http://cloudfront-media.reason.com/mc/mriggs/2013_06/Pew_NSA_Poll.png

http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/10/pew-democrats-cool-with-nsa-data-diving


That's pretty damn depressing. Especially considering they asked specifically about e-mail traffic.
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Jun 11 2013 09:40am
Actually, I will say that one thing in particular did surprise me: the shift from net negative to net positive among Independents. I expect that partisans in either major patry would turn a blind eye to the actions of their own CinC. Makes me curious about the breakdown of those Independents, demographically- and voting-history-speaking.
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Jun 11 2013 11:23am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Jun 10 2013 10:47pm)
So you're OK with a government agent watching you masturbate using the webcam on your laptop to see into your bedroom, but not OK with a guy standing at your window? Hm.


The government certainly can't look through my webcam, and at the very least they'd need a warrant to actually look at my personal data.

Where's the problem, again?
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Jun 11 2013 01:09pm
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The government certainly can't look through my webcam, and at the very least they'd need a warrant to actually look at my personal data.

Where's the problem, again?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

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I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authority to wiretap anyone. From you or your accountant, to a federal judge and even the president, if I had a personal email.
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