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Jun 6 2013 04:16pm
if you're old enough to serve, you're old enough to drink and carry

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Jun 6 2013 04:20pm
Quote (Wakeskater77 @ Jun 6 2013 04:40pm)
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Moreover, I don't see any benefit in allowing an 18/19/20 year old to own a a handgun.


Just because you don't see any benefit doesn't mean no benefit exists.
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Quote (Wakeskater77 @ Jun 6 2013 03:04pm)
No benefit either.

But not as drastic a negative either, because they are already out of highschool/more mature.

Both 18 and 21 are arbitrary age limits, but if we have to pick one, I'd pick 21 for the above reasons.

Well Americans would disagree with you, as there is a very basic benefit to owning a handgun, which is self defense. So based on this, you are basically saying that a 20 year old is not allowed to legally defend themselves with a handgun, but a 21 year old can. Remember, you have to pick an age limit not because there is no benefit, but because there are benefits, the main benefit being self defense.
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Jun 6 2013 04:42pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 6 2013 04:02pm)
...under strict observation , training and and control , something that can't be used in the civilian population .


19 and 20 year old Seargents leading 18-24 year old men into battle. Yea, STRICT observation there.
18-22 year old 1/2nd LT's commanding 30 guys in battle, yeap.



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Jun 6 2013 04:43pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jun 6 2013 04:20pm)
Just because you don't see any benefit doesn't mean no benefit exists.


Quote (DieTryin' @ Jun 6 2013 04:20pm)
Well Americans would disagree with you, as there is a very basic benefit to owning a handgun, which is self defense. So based on this, you are basically saying that a 20 year old is not allowed to legally defend themselves with a handgun, but a 21 year old can. Remember, you have to pick an age limit not because there is no benefit, but because there are benefits, the main benefit being self defense.


The younger you are, the more likely you are to shoot someone, or be shot by someone else your own age:

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The younger the victim, the more likely the decedent was shot by someone else. For children aged 0–14, over three quarters (78%) of the deaths were other-inflicted. This percentage fell with the victim's age; for older adult victims aged 55+, less than one-fifth (19%) were other-inflicted. The relationship between age and whether or not the shooting was self-inflicted also held in the multivariate analysis (Table 3).

Most unintentional firearm victims were young; in this data set the median victim was under 25 years old (Table 2). Most shooters were also young: 81% of shooters who unintentionally killed another person were under age 25 (Fig. 1).

Handguns rather than long guns caused most of the unintentional firearm deaths (Table 2). While accidental handgun deaths were more likely than long gun deaths to be self-inflicted, 39% of victims killed accidentally with a handgun were shot by another person.

Comparing other- and self-inflicted deaths, the shooters and victims in other-inflicted incidents were much younger. Whereas 81% of shooters who killed another person were under age 25, only 35% of shooters in self-inflicted deaths were under age 25 (Fig. 1). For example, among the 62 hunting incidents for which the shooter's age was known, the shooter was under 25 in 55% of the other-inflicted incidents vs. 14% of the self-inflicted incidents (not shown).

Our results show that the danger to children and adolescents is largely from being shot by others—typically friends or siblings. These findings lend credence to programmatic and policy proposals to improve gun storage, and to make it normative for parents to ask about the availability of guns in the homes visited by their children.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457510000114

This is then unequivocal evidence that the younger you are, the more likely you are to shoot someone, or be shot by someone your own age.

Ceterbis paribus, it is then prudent to restrict gun ownership, especially handguns, to young people.

If we know that the younger you are, the greater chance there is of you getting shot by someone your age or you shooting someone else, then the higher the age for ownership of handguns, then there will be fewer young people getting shot.

So I've used evidence to prove my point, lets see if you can as well.

How many 18-21 year olds use or require a handgun for self defense? Does the benefit of having a gun for self defense outweigh the evident increased risk from owning a gun at such a young age? This is something you now have to prove.
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Jun 6 2013 04:46pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jun 6 2013 04:20pm)
Just because you don't see any benefit doesn't mean no benefit exists.



And they are? Oh--never mind--the 18-20 year old crowd will be instrumental in saving us all from the black helicopters and/or the black Muslims. That and Beavis and Butthead get to aerate more stop signs...
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Jun 6 2013 04:58pm
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And they are?  Oh--never mind--the 18-20 year old crowd will be instrumental in saving us all from the black helicopters and/or the black Muslims.  That and Beavis and Butthead get to aerate more stop signs...


You obviously don't understand the risks an average 18-20 year faces. Life is rough on the tough streets of middle class suburbia.

I'm guessing 19-20 yr olds would use handguns more for looking thug in their myface profile pictures than in self defense.

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Jun 6 2013 05:00pm
Quote (Wakeskater77 @ Jun 6 2013 05:58pm)

I'm guessing 19-20 yr olds would use handguns more for looking thug in their myface profile pictures than in self defense.


Acting as if this already doesn't happen with 14 year olds and BB guns, 50 year olds with their hunting rifles (OH LOOK AT MY KILL, AND THE GUN THAT KILLED) and 30 year olds who just found out they can possess firearms.

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Jun 6 2013 05:07pm
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And they are?  Oh--never mind--the 18-20 year old crowd will be instrumental in saving us all from the black helicopters and/or the black Muslims.  That and Beavis and Butthead get to aerate more stop signs...


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Jun 6 2013 05:11pm
Quote (SocialSuicide @ Jun 6 2013 05:00pm)
Acting as if this already doesn't happen with 14 year olds and BB guns, 50 year olds with their hunting rifles (OH LOOK AT MY KILL, AND THE GUN THAT KILLED) and 30 year olds who just found out they can possess firearms.


You've missed the point.
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